Shamima Begum lost her appeal....

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Just heard on BBC news a reporter said one reason is that she has shown zero remorse and spoke exactly like other extremists - still. Whilst it us unfortunate fir her...
I think it's the right decision given the circumstances....what are your thoughts?

Does Assad pay for the Syrian refugee camps or does it come from international aid ? I don't know.

My comment was made as an assumption of what the govt/appeal court maybe thinks not me personally 😂

WTAF did I just read. It’s rape. The same way it’s rape when a teacher sleeps with a pupil. A child is not capable of consenting to sex ergo sex with a child is rape.

Does anyone know or have any thought on what is going to happen to all of these people in the camps, long term?

That is more my concern. There are literally thousands of people, including children, being kept in the detention camps in Syria.

They can't stay there forever so what will happen and what will happen to the children?

We have had this deprivation of citizenship in law since the end of world war 1, its not something new. They have had this power before you were even born or your parents came to this country. So there is no precedent being set.

She was 20 years old when she was discovered in a refugee camp and at 20 years old, she said she had no regrets. NO REGRETS AT 20 YEARS OLD so stop with the groomed child shite.

Her own lawyers didn't come up with the bull of being groomed until much later in the day, after much head scratching this was the idea that popped up with but it was after much head scratching. It didn't pop into their head immediately, they had to think of a ruse and it took them a while.

Despite all the soft bollocks-the BBC treating her as some sort of reality star and various soft articles and bleeding hearts who shouldn't be let out without their mother-the justice system-privy to the fears of the security forces-still won't have her.

In any event, she isn't stateless-she's a citizen of Islamic State which is exactly what she wanted to be and, of course, still does.

@Dreamstate - they made it easier to do recently.

In this country, sure. But Begum went out to live in a country and specifically a religious sect that not only does not have age of consent, but didn't afford women any rights at all, including rights to proper medical care (which is partly why he first kid died) and education.

If you believe, as I do, that she could consent to running away and joining ISIS of her own free will, then she could also consent to marriage, sex and childbearing. UK law did not apply - she chose to leave all that behind, along with the protections it could have afforded her.

Overall I think it’s the right decision.

I think it's embarrassing for the UK that we won't deal with our own home grown, radicalised in the UK, extremists and want to foist them off onto a poorer country.

@DumpedinKilburn playing devils advocate, I'm not sure you can take her lack of remorse as a definite. She'd been living in horrific circumstances for years, she'd just given birth when she gave the first few interviews, she was and is in a detention camp with other extremists so probably has to be very careful.

But yes, the Western clothing, painted nails do come across now as props, for her to show look how normal I am now.

She probably does only regret going because it didn't work out for her. But does that matter? The question is whether Britain should take responsibility for our own citizens.

Is she going to be charged and tried in Syria? I had read somewhere that the Syrian authorities were delaying this until the issue of her British citizenship had been resolved. Like any information relating to this case, I am not sure what is fact and what is conjecture. I cannot see what she could be charged with in the UK other than membership of a proscribed organisation.

If she is tried and convicted the issue of her citizenship presumably becomes relevant again when she completes her sentence and Syria want to deport her.

If there is a question over whether it is too late for her now to be eligible for Bangladeshi citizenship because her birth was never registered with the Bangladeshi authorities and cannot be registered once she reaches the age of 21 then surely she has grounds to take her case to the ECHR. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of the process would be aware.

As others have said we are unlikely ever to know the full facts of what she has done but I do find the idea of making someone who was born and brought up in the UK stateless rather problematic. I can also understand why people would rather she did not return to the UK. The UK security services have a poor record on monitoring. The Putney bomber and the Manchester arena bomber were supposedly on their radar but that didn't stop them.

Legally and morally there is lots to consider.

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She can throw herself on the mercy of Bangladesh-if she succeeds they will execute her-or on Syria-the country that she helped to ruin. No wonder her favoured country was the UK but, hallelujah, for once, the door is shut here too,

Taking back terrorist fuckers is something that no country should have to do and that should be enshrined in international law.

Each country could contribute enough in to a general fund to keep them in a camp in the desert and give them a bowl of rice a day and that is a lot better than Islamic State would have done to anyone whom they saw as an enemy.

Or they could just rot. Who cares!

I really don't have a horse in this race, and am not overly interested in Begum as a person. I do get why people who are 2nd Generation British or have dual nationality would like clarification on this. Windrush shows what happens when people don't pay too much attention and then suddenly "computer says no". We will see, i guess.

But this:
She was 20 years old when she was discovered in a refugee camp and at 20 years old, she said she had no regrets. NO REGRETS AT 20 YEARS OLD so stop with the groomed child shite.

Grooming is like brainwashing. And doesn't magically disappear when you're of age. I am sure she has done awful things, or been a party to awful things. For sure if the quotes are accurate in various articles she has said some awful things. And it is for sure the Home Office and intelligence agencies (domestic and other) have info that we will never know. But I would still dispute she knew what she was getting into when she left, and had been told lovely fairy stories to encourage her.

Of course she should be dealt with in the uk.

If she had been caught at aged 15yrs, would everyone still be clamouring for citizenship removal? To thinks it’s ok now but not at 15yrs is very hypocritical.

Can’t people see she’s been deliberately held up and singled out for political gain? (see how much we are doing to protect our country, see how tough we are on terrorists),

I very much doubt she even makes the 100 riskiest British citizen terrorists. It’s a pure smoke screen, a figure to vent on so as to deflect people from asking other questions.

Oh yes, those lovely fairy story videos she watched of people being slowly burned alive, beheaded with a rusty knife and drowned very slowly in swimming pools.

I can see how those 'fairy stories' attracted her @Brefugee

we have no idea what the people who persuaded her to leave told her, don't be daft. We do know how grooming works in general though so I'm guessing they didn't start with the beheading videos until after they hooked her.

So do I. She is now stateless.

The girls in Rotherham knew that the men who groomed them wanted them for sex. At the time, they themselves would have said they were there at their own free will. That doesn't meant they weren't groomed.

I am OK with adults with dual citizenship having their UK citizenship removed - if they have chosen to retain dual citizenship then they have put themselves in that situation. Dual citizenship has some benefits, and some drawbacks. If they have renounced the other citizenship once reaching adulthood it shouldn't 'count' either.

Otherwise there is a 2-tier British citizenship. If you have fully committed to British citizenship - either have never claimed another citizenship or have renounced any you have held - then you should have the same rights as any other citizen.

I am not on board with removing UK citizenship for people who have never made a choice to gain/keep another citizenship. The fact that Bangladesh would have recognised her as a citizen at birth is irrelevant. Her birth was never registered with the Bangladesh authorities, and she never did anything to claim it.

It doesn't matter how obnoxious you are, whatever crimes you have committed.

The girls in Rotherham knew that the men who groomed them wanted them for sex. At the time, they themselves would have said they were there at their own free will. That doesn't meant they weren't groomed.

Yep. Absolutely. And i think they were confused about the difference between sex and love, weren't they? they were deliberately targeted as not coming from solid, loving families. Were given presents and so on, more if they "recruited" friends, and it is entirely possible they believed that there were real feelings.

Or worse, that they were only worth that. Grooming isn't a straightforward issue.

Otherwise there is a 2-tier British citizenship. If you have fully committed to British citizenship - either have never claimed another citizenship or have renounced any you have held - then you should have the same rights as any other citizen.

people who had to take 2nd citizenship because of Brexit see you.

Imagine the outrage if Bangladesh stripped the citizenship of one of their criminals and said they are the U.K’s problem now..

She is a criminal, a terrorist and needs to be punished. By her country. We can’t just simply wash our hands of her, no matter how vile she is.

That's the whole point/definition of grooming - you exert psychological control. Thank goodness this is finally being recognised, especially in the context of minors being groomed into situations of abuse, rather than being seen as 'asking for it' because they did what the people who groomed them wanted.

I believe her father lives there now.