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lemmein · 2023-02-15T19:14:48+00:00

Fuck it, I'm opening another one. If the mods delete it fair enough. I don't believe the menopause or even alcoholism explains a woman vanishing into thin air with no evidence left behind. This whole case stinks!

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 16/02/2023 10:40

Also, as you point out 45 is a bit young for meno

45 is meant to be the age at which GPs should prescribe HRT based on symptoms alone. Unfortunately that doesn't happen often because women are so often told 'You're just 45, that's too young.'

QueefQueen80s · 16/02/2023 10:42

@heldinadream We'll just have to agree to disagree, it has divided opinions.
The diving expert is angry as he wasn't told anything about it.

MarshaBradyo · 16/02/2023 10:43

Renoir56 · 16/02/2023 10:11

The police didn't say it was due to menopause. They said that she had had previous issues with alcohol and that menopause had caused the problem to resurface. She already had a problem. The fact that her partner was setting out to look for her when she was less than an hour late home speaks volumes. She was clearly vulnerable and he was worried. Poor woman. I hope she is found soon.

Having read the statement again you are right.

This makes more sense to me as I found the menopause line strange, but it’s saying it’s the cause of the alcohol problem resurfacing.

It’s not NB take on her own situation so it might be right or an interpretation by someone else.

FrazzledMCPremenopausalWoman · 16/02/2023 10:44

Firstly we don't know for definite that the concern for welfare call was in regard to Nicola's welfare. There are three other people living in Nicola's house.

Secondly we don't know that the concern for welfare call was primarily responded to by the police. A doctor may have attended first, and the police may have followed (I can think of many situations involving minors that this could relate to, but don't want to speculate).

The information released yesterday by the police may or may not be relevant to Nicola's disappearance.

heldinadream · 16/02/2023 10:45

QueefQueen80s · 16/02/2023 10:42

@heldinadream We'll just have to agree to disagree, it has divided opinions.
The diving expert is angry as he wasn't told anything about it.

Well I agree he should have been told.
And I'm happy to agree to disagree.
However, if I was Nicola and I was out there somewhere I'd be mortified at the level of disclosure and it would make suicide a more likely choice due to the level of horror at the whole world picking over my life. And I think as long as there is a chance she's still out there, making a way back safe for her should be a priority. However small this chance is.

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 16/02/2023 10:47

Rempf · 16/02/2023 10:39

Your right- that would have found its way out by now surely.
Maybe its being exaggerated- who knows. But to say its still being investigated is strange

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It's possible that was the story the press were going to break - but often people don't know why an ambulance and police were there so it would possibly have gone with PA being abusive which is why the police came out with what they did. There have been queries all along as to why they responded so fast and with so much manpower, it isn't normal. Hopefully this will now stop all the speculation that someone very close to her was involved.

VanGoghsDog · 16/02/2023 10:48

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 16/02/2023 10:40

Also, as you point out 45 is a bit young for meno

45 is meant to be the age at which GPs should prescribe HRT based on symptoms alone. Unfortunately that doesn't happen often because women are so often told 'You're just 45, that's too young.'

I know, but it's at the early end, to be fair. Average age is 52.

bizzywiththefizzy · 16/02/2023 10:49

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 16/02/2023 10:40

Also, as you point out 45 is a bit young for meno

45 is meant to be the age at which GPs should prescribe HRT based on symptoms alone. Unfortunately that doesn't happen often because women are so often told 'You're just 45, that's too young.'

I never had another period after the age of forty . I did eventually get HRT .

Rempf · 16/02/2023 10:51

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 16/02/2023 10:47

It's possible that was the story the press were going to break - but often people don't know why an ambulance and police were there so it would possibly have gone with PA being abusive which is why the police came out with what they did. There have been queries all along as to why they responded so fast and with so much manpower, it isn't normal. Hopefully this will now stop all the speculation that someone very close to her was involved.

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Maybe your right and the press were going to break it- but it hasnt really cleared the waters as such as we have no idea what the incident was- and neither should we

User45378754 · 16/02/2023 10:51

Chocolated · 16/02/2023 08:58

Perhaps the man was just trying to protect his little girls?

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Yes - in my recollection he spoke repeatedly about his focus on the girls and on reflection with this new info was maybe less warm and loving about NB?

User45378754 · 16/02/2023 11:01

Oaktree55 · 16/02/2023 09:24

It makes absolute sense because accepting she’s drowned is harder than clinging to hope she might still be alive somehow. It also means they can avoid feelings of perhaps I should have noticed something was up that morning and I could have prevented it. You can see this touched on in the interview when he says that morning was odd as no chaos everything was ready. They also wanted every avenue explored and to release details to public/PF re her issues may have led to less of a response as it’d be oh it’s suicide. It’s telling her parents seemed to stand back perhaps they reached acceptance sooner or felt uncomfortable with the withholding of detail. It all makes perfect sense to me.

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Yes this is how I see it.

Also the friends were likely out of the loop.

However anyone with these vulnerabilities could also be abducted, have an accident, harm themselves elsewhere or choose walk out of their life……so all lines of enquiry need to remain open.

QueefQueen80s · 16/02/2023 11:04

@heldinadream I do agree it might make it harder for her to come back, or might make it easier if she sees people "getting" what she was going through and other women empathising with her instead of struggling alone? It's hard to know. But this new info has given me a glimmer of hope she is out there somewhere.

User45378754 · 16/02/2023 11:11

Rainbunny · 16/02/2023 09:53

I'm dubious about the idea that she was alcohol impaired/and or had a mental crisis at 10am in the morning on a work call - yes of course that's posssible but why did her partner let her drive her children if he worried that she might be alcohol impaired or mentally distressed? He was interviewed by the police when he called them to report her missing and he obviously told them at that time but also it seems clear neither he or the police believed her to be in such a state and the investigation proceeded as such.

In the first few days after she disappeared the police clearly stated that she had no health vulnerabilities - this is crucial because it set direction of how this has been investigated by both the police and professional divers etc. They waited three weeks to suddenly changed their assessment of her? I'm not surprised so many retired police offical and investigators, search divers etc. are coming out as so critical of the Lancashire police for doing this now. They're clearly flailing.

In the first few days after she disappeared the police clearly stated that she had no health vulnerabilities - this is crucial because it set direction of how this has been investigated by both the police and professional divers etc. They waited three weeks to suddenly changed their assessment of her?

No they didn’t state that she had no vulnerabilities.

But they evaluated her vulnerabilities as high risk and escalated the time and scope of the SAR operation accordingly.

They haven’t changed their assessment of her. It’s still a high risk MP.

It didn’t start off on the wrong track.

heldinadream · 16/02/2023 11:11

QueefQueen80s · 16/02/2023 11:04

@heldinadream I do agree it might make it harder for her to come back, or might make it easier if she sees people "getting" what she was going through and other women empathising with her instead of struggling alone? It's hard to know. But this new info has given me a glimmer of hope she is out there somewhere.

I do hope she is. Either way I hope it's solved soon, because the limbo those poor little girls are in is unthinkable. 💔

RafaistheKingofClay · 16/02/2023 11:13

Chocolated · 16/02/2023 09:03

@confounded234 perhaps he wanted to keep her disappearance in the news but didn't want these details being released. I do think he should have told PF but who knows how any of us would react in this situation

If that’s the case, given there seem to be media connections he’s been badly advised. If you do that this is always going to come out. The media are not interested in NB or the family they are interested in stoking the online speculation and getting as many clicks or selling as many papers as possible. They won’t care who gets hurt in the process.

You can’t raise the sort of publicity some of their friends have raised and expect that you can keep anything secret or that the investigation won’t get compromised somehow. Lancs police really should have got some advice on how to handle this.

HymenOrNot · 16/02/2023 11:13

Rempf · 16/02/2023 10:39

Your right- that would have found its way out by now surely.
Maybe its being exaggerated- who knows. But to say its still being investigated is strange

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I'd imagine that the actioning of any charges has been overtaken by events/Nicola going missing and the police being busy elsewhere- plus it can take a while anyway

I don't pretend to know what happened during the welfare check - 2 emergency vehicles lights flashing or not would in the small villages I've lived in be an exceptional event worthy of much speculation and gossip - even without anyone knowing why they were there

I was just trying to make the point that for the family but especially for Nicola it was moving their private difficulties into the public arena likely causing more distress and maybe a sense that life was spiralling out of control

We actually live in a city now and have a close neighbour who has made several serious attempts occasioning 'welfare checks' - blue flashing lights is the norm maybe it;s done differently in rural areas

fairydust11 · 16/02/2023 11:14

ItsaStupidSillyThing · 16/02/2023 08:34

I think it is absolutely apalling that the police have released that information about Nicola Bulley's personal business. It isn't respectful and there is absolutely no need for the public to know it, nothing to gain. They didn't have to mention 'vulnerabilities' why do we need to know? What speculation exactly is it going to stop?
I feel the police are trying to back up their own "falling in river" theory by now insinuating a drunken fall due to mental health issues. They cannot find her body, are clutching at straws and i wouldnt be surprised if it'll end in "she must have gone out to sea, impossible to find..." case closed. It is disgusting and imo has further tarnished their reputation, not saved it.

I agree with you and think that is exactly what they’ll do.

Chocolated · 16/02/2023 11:14

Did anyone watch the interviews on This Morning?

Baileysandcream · 16/02/2023 11:16

User45378754 · 16/02/2023 11:11

In the first few days after she disappeared the police clearly stated that she had no health vulnerabilities - this is crucial because it set direction of how this has been investigated by both the police and professional divers etc. They waited three weeks to suddenly changed their assessment of her?

No they didn’t state that she had no vulnerabilities.

But they evaluated her vulnerabilities as high risk and escalated the time and scope of the SAR operation accordingly.

They haven’t changed their assessment of her. It’s still a high risk MP.

It didn’t start off on the wrong track.

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In their press conference on 3rd February they stated there were no health issues.

I found this interesting from a former DI

twitter.com/KayBurley/status/1626128998064332801

I don't agree with the narrative that it has ruined her reputation, but his comments on the police handling are interesting.

Bellalalala · 16/02/2023 11:17

ItsaStupidSillyThing · 16/02/2023 10:38

If this information is so crucial to the investigation why was it not mentioned at the very start? Why was Paul Faulding not told about it so he could search in deeper areas of the river/nearer to the sea first instead of places the police had alreasu searched? Why did the police stick so firmly to an accident as their main working theory? It seems there are so many contradictions in the information they have shared. I'm sure a member of the public would have noticed if somebody was drunk, he saw people just before her disappearance.
Are they saying this poor woman in the middle of a work call took herself off and jumped into the river, or wandered off to drink and ended up lost/suicide? I just hope this isn't the case, and by some miracle Nicola is still alive.

PF was working with the family. He was brought in and kissing with them. Not the Police. He did seem to have the view she hadn’t gone in the river before he and his team started searching.

PF wasn’t working with the police. Which is why they didn’t disclose it to him. The family, for whatever reason chose not to. But that’s not the police contradicting themselves.

Rempf · 16/02/2023 11:21

HymenOrNot · 16/02/2023 11:13

I'd imagine that the actioning of any charges has been overtaken by events/Nicola going missing and the police being busy elsewhere- plus it can take a while anyway

I don't pretend to know what happened during the welfare check - 2 emergency vehicles lights flashing or not would in the small villages I've lived in be an exceptional event worthy of much speculation and gossip - even without anyone knowing why they were there

I was just trying to make the point that for the family but especially for Nicola it was moving their private difficulties into the public arena likely causing more distress and maybe a sense that life was spiralling out of control

We actually live in a city now and have a close neighbour who has made several serious attempts occasioning 'welfare checks' - blue flashing lights is the norm maybe it;s done differently in rural areas

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The police statement that no arrests have been made suggest it wasnt related to attempts as such

SpecialOPs · 16/02/2023 11:25

From Nicola's Linked In bio, it looks like she returned to work last Feb after 9 years. Seems to tie in with her oldest DC's age so possibly she was a SAHM until her youngest (6?) started school.

Just stood out to me as a long term SAHM going back to work can cause issues within a family. I know it affected my relationship with my DH as he expected me to carry on doing everything else as well for a while until he was put very firmly straight!

CurlingMilk · 16/02/2023 11:30

The police statement that no arrests have been made suggest it wasnt related to attempts as such

This. They are insinuating (and they really didn't need to or should have) that there was a domestic incident possibly involving alcohol and that one of the 2 adults in the household did something that may have warranted an arrest hence there still investigating.

All they needed to say was that Nicola had been vulnerable and had ongoing mental health issues for which she was being supported by health care professionals and that the family would prefer it if her the public respected that health issues should be treated with confidentiality.

IMW, Lancashire police lashed out yesterday because they were fed up with the media and social media scrutiny, Rebecca Smith basically retaliated as many people who are being heavily criticised do. RS did not manage to deal with the situation professionally and tried to bat away media intrusion by destroying Nicola's reputation. What a nasty and incompetent individual.

CurlingMilk · 16/02/2023 11:36

And yes, Rebeccas SMith's clothing during the press conference was definitely not business attire. FFS.

Rempf · 16/02/2023 11:36

CurlingMilk · 16/02/2023 11:30

The police statement that no arrests have been made suggest it wasnt related to attempts as such

This. They are insinuating (and they really didn't need to or should have) that there was a domestic incident possibly involving alcohol and that one of the 2 adults in the household did something that may have warranted an arrest hence there still investigating.

All they needed to say was that Nicola had been vulnerable and had ongoing mental health issues for which she was being supported by health care professionals and that the family would prefer it if her the public respected that health issues should be treated with confidentiality.

IMW, Lancashire police lashed out yesterday because they were fed up with the media and social media scrutiny, Rebecca Smith basically retaliated as many people who are being heavily criticised do. RS did not manage to deal with the situation professionally and tried to bat away media intrusion by destroying Nicola's reputation. What a nasty and incompetent individual.

Agreed- there are ways of getting your message across without being so specific.

High ranking Officers would have had training in body language and public speaking