Nicola Bulley 10

[lemmein]

Fuck it, I'm opening another one. If the mods delete it fair enough.

I don't believe the menopause or even alcoholism explains a woman vanishing into thin air with no evidence left behind.

This whole case stinks!

It's "fashionable" to criticise the police because over and over and over again they have shown themselves to be at best incompetent, and at worst, criminals themselves.

Heartening to see the non judgement of NB's struggles with alcohol.

There is so much stigma around addiction and particularly women and alcohol, it's no wonder it is hidden so well in most cases.

No comment on the investigation/search, that is for the professionals.

It certainly would never have got to this point. The police would have been informed. And the press would have found her even if the police didn't.

She isn’t getting judged for her alcoholism because she’s middle class.

Menopause is known to cause mental health issues. Plus potential alcohol use really does make someone vulnerable. These are just facts

Sure. What difference does knowing that make to her right now? Has she been found as a result? Is the search now focused where it should be? Or is the police still saying she went in the water but they can’t/haven’t found her?

Only the partner and kids really know what's happening in a home with a functioning alcoholic.

Yes, but even they may not be aware of everything. Alcoholics are ipso facto deceitful.

It appeared to me that the police released this information today in order to support their decision to focus mainly on one hypothesis

She isn’t getting judged for her alcoholism because she’s middle class

where in that statement does it say she’s definitely an alcoholic?

Patient confidentiality only goes so far. I’m pretty sure in the case of a nationwide missing persons investigation the police would be informed.

I couldn't agree more.
In years to come this case will be the definitive example taught to trainee police/detectives of how not to undertake an investigation.

@Changechangechanging

It doesn’t but I can guarantee you if this was a working class girl who went missing in Blackpool who had vulnerabilities with alcohol I am certain no one would give two shits.

Yes, they've released it solely to cover their own backs and to justify concentrating only on the river for so long. But it doesn't change the fact that they've not found her in the river or anywhere else.

It is relevant, it builds a totally different picture to the initial information provided to the public. It was implied previously that everything was perfect, normal, happy in this woman's life and that there was no reason why she should disappear. It now seems that this wasn't the case, there are other factors that could have contributed to what happened. Its quite likely that the police and family are still not disclosing absolutely everything they know publicly.

But you are denying it.

You reduced a woman who was really struggling with menopause and her mental health down to ‘why would her ovaries impact where she is’

You are absolutely trying to down play it. By making flippant incorrect comments about her ovaries determining where she is, when no one said that or even hinted it.

Again, the outrage is misplaced. Because the people displaying f outrage have no clue. The fact that some people can not grasp, that social media gossip, assumptions and speculation has caused loads of problems for the family, friends, police and locals and still think they must know all the details is baffling to me.

And their outrage isn’t necessarily well placed. Because we don’t know how the family feels about it. People are outraged based on assumptions. And lots of people doing it doesn’t make them correct.

Before he'd even spoken to the police or family or seen the river, he'd made the 'decoy' claim, said the police were doing it all wrong, said there was no body in the river and claimed he'd have the whole river searched within a day.

If you class that as 'professional opinion' then no, our opinions of him won't ever tally.

She isn't getting judged because she's a missing person with two little broken hearted girls at home !!

I think it looks bad that the police were adamant in the actual press conference they weren’t going to say what the ‘vulnerabilities’ were and then hours later eased a statement saying just that. It just makes it look like they’re floundering around

@MissWings 100% agree. In fact there will be many missing vunerable women and children who could never hope to get 0.1% of the press and police attention that this case has.

@Bellalalala

I agree. Dismissing the term “menopause” and replacing it with “ovaries” is crass. You are simply reducing a woman’s struggles this way.

@Goldpaw this!

Thanks @confounded234 how long might that take at a fair, running pace? Poss to keep on the main path and head to the sea?

Someone mentioned the dog, she could have thrown a stick for it or similar and set off at a run.

I thought again of Libby Squire's murder:

She was both intoxicated AND someone who had contemplated suicide, but she WAS murdered.:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Libby_Squire

During the trial, extracts from Squire's medical records were read to the jury, showing she had previously experienced suicidal thoughts which included thoughts of drowning herself in a river.[11]

The Crown, prosecuting, contended that Relowicz had been in the centre of Hull "looking for an opportunity" on the night of 31 January 2019. When he came across Squire, drunk and possibly suffering from hypothermia, he invited or forced her into his car with the intention of committing a sexual offence.[16] The prosecution claimed he then took Squire to Oak Road playing fields, a nearby open space, where he raped and subsequently murdered her. He then disposed of her body in the River Hull. Scratches to Relowicz's face were evidence she had tried to defend herself. The prosecution also highlighted Relowicz's history of sexual and sexually motivated offending in the 18 months before the murder, claiming he was a man with "uncontrollable sexual urges".[17]

nobody could outrun a dog, no matter how much of a head start they get

It is really sad that the Police stooped so low as to reveal this now. She doesn't sound like any more of an alcoholic then many, many people who can drink too much and get into arguments. It is really common behaviour in the UK. I would not class it as vulnerable unless they can prove that she was literally drunk on the school run that day. She was holding down a job, planning social activities. She had it altogether.
It is their fault that they built up an image of her being fit and healthy and with no family problems from the beginning. Paul's hesitation to publicly express affection initially also makes more sense.
Could a functioning alcoholic really pull off such a perfect disappearance?

Earlier people were saying the dog had been tied to the bench with string, could it be that Nicola herself tied the dog up knowing it would be found pretty quickly?

The police say that police and medical assistance visited her home in January - what they are suggesting here is suicidal ideas/ self harm without directly saying it.
It wasn’t a usual morning for her by some accounts and it seems that the police went down the drunk fell in/ suicide route