Missing Woman Nicola Bulley 7

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The chat appears to have gone quiet today after the last thread filled up, so I'm making a new one for anyone who wants to come together whilst we all hold our breath hoping for a good outcome.

He told his partner he was walking home it's about a 3 mile walk but never got home. There was a fresh appeal put out in 2017 some did come forward with possible sightings. A local dock was searched when two car's were seen in there. But there was nothing of concern. His partner has given up now of ever finding him. She met someone else and has another two children.

I'm not sure how many of the details are accurate. As was mentioned in the documentary last night, Sally Riley has made so many errors in her communications with the public, as have the media.

If there was no lead, that explains why string

And begs the question, where is the lead?

Clipped round Nicola in a way that wouldn't come free is but one possibility

@Janiie I think the reason why the police publicly rule out 3rd party involvement is because if she has been abducted, certain outcomes are less likely to happen.

But if she took the harness off it would be connected to the lead, or the harness would be left on the dog.

Missing person reports are always taken at the home address where possible as a lot of the polices initial enquiries for a missing person need to take place at home such as searches of the home address, looking for diaries, passports etc.

They'd presumably also carry out quite a detailed interview with the person reporting/other family - not just what the missing person was wearing and where they were going, but things like details of family, friends and work, medical history, state of mind, any relationship, family or money problems. That needs to be done in private.

That's not the government though it's a market research company

If she went into the river it's most likely her phone would go with her. I'm sure she didn't deliberately put it down thinking she was going into the water, for what reason would she go in? The dog was dry. There are possibilities like someone else fell in and she deliberately went in to help them, perhaps someone else fell in first and they haven't been reported missing. But how likely is it the river would be searched and not one body was found if 2 went in? The chances are slim. Why are her belongings scattered away from the river and most alarmingly her phone? So many red flags.

To those querying the van van visible from Paul's window during his interview, surely it was the TV crews van?

Why are the police so sure she's in the river? Surely it's just a "guess"? It's not even based on probability though, given the reports of the water level, the obstacle of the weir etc. Are they still searching because of pressure from the public or do all missing people get this level of resources directed to a search? Did others pass by between the lady first finding Willow, phone and harness and Paul/ police arriving? It's honestly driving me mad thinking about that distraught family.

Pix show that the lead she was using (until November) had a clip which could attach to harness (and therefore also to collar) or be detached from either/both.

You don't need to take the harness right off to let a dog off-lead, though accounts from friends suggest she did that frequently (good idea if your dog goes plunging into undergrowth, as less chance of getting caught on something)

Yet here you are, reading and commenting.

I think one of the reasons for these kind of threads and the huge public concern is the lack of trust in the police to investigate things properly. It was only the public pressure which led to the Sarah Everard case being solved. The police has so much to do to restore the confidence of women. (Not suggesting for a minute police were involved like in that case, just that their communications aren't so good here and women have lost trust.) Let's hope they find out what happened, it's unthinkable how dreadful it is for the family. So upsetting.

Very well said.

I don't think it's odd at all that the passerby may have had string in their pocket. I mostly walk my dog in my riding coats and they always have random bits of baler twine etc in them.

I'm not convinced by the idea that she went in intentionally to help the dog. Surely if she did, even if she were panicked, she'd have pulled off her coat and shoes knowing they'd make it harder to swim?

I find all this speculation about what the dog would or wouldn't do totally unhelpful because it's so dependent on the dog. I have three, all the same breed. One would follow me in to water, the other two would likely bugger off in search of a good scent. One would go for an attacker, one would leg it and the other would be their best friend.

I think the basic theories for phone on/near bench are that:

a) she left it there.

I don't think she would have dropped it and not noticed as she was following a work call. But she might have left it briefly, maybe to clean up dog poo) and been unable to return, or she might I suppose have left it deliberately

b) someone else put it there, to misdirect

What I was saying is that the dog had no harness on, where was the lead? If I take my dogs harness off I clip it to the lead. @AuntieStella

Oh that's interesting that the errors were mentioned! If we've been mentioning them, now the documentary has also, then then surely some of Lancs Constabulary will be noting it too.

One of the police bods on here said that SI Riley probably wasn't the SIO and it would be a DI. And that the Super wouldn't know the nitty gritty. If that's so I wonder why that SIO hasn't been doing the comms, because it's obvious SI Riley doesn't have a hold of all the facts. Maybe the SIO is even worse at comms! 😮😮😮

This guy that they were looking for for another case

We earlier appealed for help to find Thomas Murray and we are pleased to say that thanks to your help he has now been arrested.

Agree with this 100%. It is beyond distasteful. How would you feel if it were your family being discussed endlessly? It's not all about you.

I am not saying i believe anyone has done anything. But I honestly don't know why people are so shocked and disgusted that people are accusing the people closest to her. That is from past cases absolutely what happens. We've all watched the same event play out. Like we do with many other cases. Some people think the husband/partner/friend did it. Some people don't. What would these people witch hunting anyone with an opinion against theirs do if he is found guilty in a few months time, that has actually happened many many many times before. It's hurtful, yes. But like I've said on previous threads it is not surprised the public have been fooled before.

@Goldpaw Yes - the explanation from that poster made sense of the cock ups but look at the confusion that's resulted! I think they also said that the SIO may change throughout the investigation - I guess if this turns from a missing person to a criminal investigation - whereas presumably SR would remain the lead throughout.

I suppose the police would argue that members of the public don't need to know all the fine details as we shouldn't be speculating.....which obviously leads to frustration and even more speculation.

@otherwayup did you say the same about MM? Or any other nation wide issue that has been discussed disected and speculated about since the dawn of time. I guess you have never had am opinion about anything ever, or discuses this with anyone ever.

Discussing something with a friend, in private, is a very different matter from chit-chatting to talking to a whole bunch of people online (who could be anyone at all), in public. I have many opinions - not least about armchair detectives who try to disguise their ghoulish tendencies as "concern" - but they don't all need to be discussed on a forum for all to read.

Anyway it has always boggled me that the police went out of their way to say they didn’t believe a crime had been committed from the start. Highly unusual as they’d normally say all lines of enquiry are open. Nicola could have been pushed in the water for all they knew which would still have been a crime.

Yes, lots of people go missing but I can’t think of any cases where the person’s was found dumped on the ground active on a call or their dog was found abandoned running loose?

No mention of headphones? There’s a picture of Nicola wearing wired earbuds, like iPhone ones. Her DP must have known if she’d normally wear them and most people would if they were on a Teams work call in public to cut out background noise so they can listen to what’s being said and if they are asked a question and don’t want it known they’re not at their desk (not that I do that honestly!). Someone could have found a pair not knowing they were connected to the case.

It's all a bit odd. Like some people are trying to solve the case like it's some TV drama.