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Missing Woman Nicola Bulley 7

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LoveMAFS · 11/02/2023 16:42

The chat appears to have gone quiet today after the last thread filled up, so I'm making a new one for anyone who wants to come together whilst we all hold our breath hoping for a good outcome.

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avamiah · 12/02/2023 01:20

@Winnet ,
Totally agree with you .
I was just thinking of the disappearance of Suzy Lamplugh who went missing in 1986 and was officially declared dead in 1993 which is totally heartbreaking as she just vanished one day .This shocking case was over 30 years ago but I’m sure many people remember her name as I do.

Peverellshire · 12/02/2023 01:26

@ofwarren thanks very much for starting another thread.

  1. https://www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/nicola-bulley-laughing-joking-just-26135864 How the phone and dog got to the bench

From article above:

She went on to say, the dog walker spotted Willow as she came through a gate onto the towpath but became suspicious when she saw the harness and lead on the floor. A man then came through behind her with his dog and spotted the phone.

"The gent has looked on the floor and two feet from the bench there’s a phone," she said. "I think she’s either been faffing about at the edge of the river because the dog’s been smelling fishing bait and she’s slipped or she’s had a medical episode."

[Does anyone know if this man came forward? An important witness, very clearly].

[933am to 10:50 dog tied up to the bench. Nicola last seen 9:10am in a different area, telephony data shows her phone was on the bench at 9:20am, was Nicola with it, we assume so]

[As woman witness came through gate, and presumably walked a few mins down this path, so 9:25am ? Depending where she came from. At 9:33am tied dog to bench. Dog tied to bench, then, for nearly, TWO HOURS.

Dog has collar and relatively large identification tag, certainly in other photos seen.

Woman witness, also interacted with people who it might be vitally important to interview, quite a few, the area was quite busy with dog walkers, (I am sure they have been as they have x40 officers on the case).

From article above:

She went on to say two other dog walkers later came across her phone and recognised the screensaver photo. She said they were unable to unlock the phone and contacted a friend who then called St Michael's-on-Wyre Church of England Primary School, where Nicola had dropped her two children earlier that morning.

Partner Paul Ansell was contacted and raced to the scene from the family home three miles away in Inskip, before calling the police, the friend said. "As far as I’m aware, no one called the police until Paul arrived," she said.

  1. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/21355157/nicola-bulley-ex-detective-says-in-river/

The former detective said that although Nicola hadn't been found near where police believed she fell in, it didn't mean she wasn't in the water.

She continued: "If she's then sadly gone over that Wyre it becomes tidal and then the possibility that she's gone out to sea is still quite possible."

Julie also explained why she didn't think there was a third party involved, despite part of the path not being covered by CCTV.

Press conference, 7th Feb

  1. Press Conference earlier in week: "This includes Nicola's Fitbit and her mobile phone, which has been fully examined"
  2. "We can say with confidence, therefore, that we believe Nicola remained in the riverside area. I understand that this is frustrating for those observing the investigation when the river has been searched and Nicola has not been found. That does not mean, however, that Nicola was NOT IN THE RIVER AT SOME POINT due to the TIDAL FLOW of the river. For this reason, our search of the river and the river banks extends out to the sea, particularly the area from Knott End, out towards Morecambe.
  3. "But it does remain our belief that Nicola sadly fell into the river"
  1. The police DO BELIEVE it is highly unlikely Nicola could have travelled to the sea from some parts of the river NB: "We have already discounted particular areas of the river"
  2. Scruffy red van and x 2 nefarious looking men, etc, a real danger MOST OF ABOVE possibly, soon forgotten/any other relevant details, if we look at previous examples of any high profile crime case you can just about think of.
  3. Given the woman witness, outlined in the first article above, came down the path and through the gate and tied Nicola's dog at 9:33am. (and this would have been her only viable exit route re: either, abduction or leaving of free will) [Please correct if wrong it is very hard to get to accurate data] Presumably, this means that the woman would have come down the path for at least 3-5 mins prior (?) & either seen Nicola, heard her/anyone with her in a criminal situation]:So, 9:25am to 9:30am approx? Depending on how fast she walked down the pathway and if the dog was fast/slow. Did she have a dog with her?

There was a man with this woman just after 9:33am presumably, which direction did he come from?

She went on to say, the dog walker spotted Willow as she came through a gate onto the towpath but became suspicious when she saw the harness and lead on the floor. A man then came through behind her with his dog and spotted the phone.

SO, the window of opportunity for Nicola to leave the riverside and/or be taken against her will, or leave of own accord is 4-6 minutes possibly and 10 minutes, more generously?

Meanwhile, Willow and her phone remain unattended for nearly TWO hours.

7th Feb Press Conference

At 8.47am, someone who knows Nicola saw her walking along the lower field with her dog and the two dogs briefly interacted together. At 8.53am, she sent an email to her boss. At 8.59am, she sent a message to a friend. At 9.01am, she logged onto a team's call and at 9.10am, we had the last confirmed sighting of Nicola on the upper field walking her dog. We know from telephony that her phone was located on the bench at 9.20am. At 9.30am the Teams call ended, but Nicola's phone stayed logged in and at 9.33am approximately, her phone and her dog were found by another witness who doesn't know her.

"On Friday morning, the 27 January, we know that Nicola was last seen on the upper field next to the river wire here in St Michael's. At 9.10am. She had taken her Spaniel Willow out for a walk and CCTV that we've looked at shows that Nicola did not leave either the Allotment Lane exit of that riverside area, nor the Rowanwater caravan park, which has been discounted, nor any of the other locked or areas covered by CCTV. As I've said, Friday, this only leaves the path along Garstang Lane onto the A586, which is not covered by CCTV, [where witness above, tied up dog at 9:33am so would have been on this track minutes before, and then came through the gate] but the more of those 700 or so vehicle drivers that we can identify who can confirm that they have neither dashcam footage or saw anything on that morning will help us to close that very small gap.

And we've now identified around 700 vehicles that drove through the village on that morning on the 27 January at around 9.10am 9.15am. And we're in the process of speaking to all of those drivers to try and find out if they have any dash cam footage, what they saw on that day or anything else that may be of value to the police inquiry

Also NB:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11701007/Police-sniffer-dogs-search-river-perimeter-deserted-house-hunt-Nicola-Bulley.html

"Bizarrely, Willow was running free and the woman found the dog's harness on the ground next to the river.

She called her daughter-in-law who called Ms Bulley's long-term partner Paul Ansell, who dialled 999.

The woman, who runs a business in picturesque St Michaels on Wyre, said she knew of Ms Bulley and hoped nothing 'bad' had happened to her.

Speaking today, she said: 'I saw the dog and I recognised it, but I suddenly couldn't think whose dog it was.

'The dog looked worried so I tied her up and rushed home as I had to go to an appointment.

'I then went and spoke to my daughter-in-law and she immediately knew who the dog was, alerted the woman's partner and that was it - the police were on it"

lemmein · 12/02/2023 01:35

808Kate1 · 12/02/2023 00:26

we need to continue talking about it and hopefully, as said on the documentary, it’s us people who will ‘help’ to solve this case.

Don't think they meant random MN'ers hen. These threads are grotesque. It's no wonder you're being called out for it on Twitter.

Seriously? some of the most batshit theories I've read are on Twitter - alien abduction theories, people claiming Nicola doesn't exist and is an AI creation, her 'family' are of course actors - it's all a government ploy to either distract us, or trick us into getting microchipped!

'Getting called out on Twitter' ffs! 🤣

CyberSpaceTraveller · 12/02/2023 01:48

Interesting that the dog was tied up and no one else came across her for more than an hour afterwards. No one heard her barking? I know some dogs aren't barkers but you'd expect a dog who's been tied up by a stranger, left alone for so long and can't see her owner to bark a bit?

It seemed to be popular dog walking spot in the area, sheer bad luck I suppose nobody walked down to that area and came across the dog for that long.

It's been reported the dog was tied up at 9.33. Did Paul say he was called at 10.45 or was that when he called the police? Do we know what time the dog was found the 2nd time?

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'open-minded research on YouTube...tarot psychics'

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ofwarren · 12/02/2023 05:16

twitter.com/MENnewsdesk/status/1624605244523962371?t=fqPDRQQ1zmpxvTHxkr-tuQ&s=19

Manchester Evening News
"Police have reportedly been informed of two men acting suspiciously near the spot where Nicola Bulley went missing in a new development in the hunt for the missing mum."

ofwarren · 12/02/2023 05:21

twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/1624576758270885888?t=Ov-ubVMsNoP5uWx9X9iMqA&s=19

"If Nicola Bulley search has been bungled, our faith in police risks being lost, writes PHILIP FLOWER"

ofwarren · 12/02/2023 05:22

twitter.com/Independent/status/1624576541588848640?t=2GpPwF6LbzyTdZGdhIID-A&s=19

Even more press are running with the "2 men" story, broken by The Sun

"Witness ‘saw two suspicious men’ before Nicola Bulley’s disappearance"

ofwarren · 12/02/2023 05:24

www.thesun.co.uk/news/21348932/nicola-bulley-red-van-witness/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebarweb

"I saw red van hunted by Nicola cops, there’s no reason for it to be there unless you’re up to no good, says tree surgeon"

dogmandu · 12/02/2023 05:40

I haven't read through all of this so don't know whether the following possibility has been mentioned.

It seems from an interview with her partner that marriage had been mentioned a few times but put off for various reasons. I'm wondering if she was pushing for marriage and when it didn't happen decided to make a point and leave? I also think this is unlikely because of her children and dog, but nevertheless is a possibility.

kateandme · 12/02/2023 05:56

could she come back now? show herself? if she has run everyones opinions of her.the vitorol she would get for what she has put people through?
if she has chosen to disappear she cant turn back now can she

TrevTro · 12/02/2023 06:15

That's pure speculation.

Based on the evidence, the police believe she fell in the river.

Yet she has not been found.

It's very concerning if the police have got this so wrong, and they have been wrong before.

Peverellshire · 12/02/2023 06:41

Something has made them treat this, with some confidence, as a missing person case & not a crime, (they labelled it as such immediately) from the beginning.

A problem might be it becomes really challenging, then, to keep a totally objective and open mind.

They now appreciate, I think, a river scenario falling in by bench, almost impossible, so now are focusing towards sea.

liveforsummer · 12/02/2023 06:49

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Wtf?! Unless this is on an official capacity (which I doubt) how on earth is your mum 'helping'?

Somefang · 12/02/2023 06:50

TrevTro · 12/02/2023 06:15

That's pure speculation.

Based on the evidence, the police believe she fell in the river.

Yet she has not been found.

It's very concerning if the police have got this so wrong, and they have been wrong before.

But they been investigating other leads and have said time and time again they're open minded. They have 40 detectives working on it, input from the NCA missing persons unit and over 500 leads they're following. Whilst entering the water is the hypothesis they've said is most likely, they haven't not looking into other avenues. What they can't do is initiate a criminal investigation with no evidence whatsoever, a fact we should all be thankful for- unless people fancy police having unwileded powers.

plumduck · 12/02/2023 06:55

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Does your mum work on the case? Is she a relative/ friend of the family? If not wtf is she doing?

StrongTea · 12/02/2023 06:59

I thought I had read there were 3 people in the top field at some point? Had they come in from the locked gate at the top?

Gramps52 · 12/02/2023 06:59

Bluebellwood129 · 11/02/2023 23:09

One exit doesn't have CCTV - for this, they've written to the owners of 700 vehicles passing along the road to try to obtain dash cam footage so right now, they can't categorically state Nicola that didn't leave by that exit.

Don’t know why they have done this, dash-cams overwrite themselves after a short period of time, mine records a maximum of 10 minutes. You have to manually save an event if you want to keep it.

TrevTro · 12/02/2023 07:13

Somefang · 12/02/2023 06:50

But they been investigating other leads and have said time and time again they're open minded. They have 40 detectives working on it, input from the NCA missing persons unit and over 500 leads they're following. Whilst entering the water is the hypothesis they've said is most likely, they haven't not looking into other avenues. What they can't do is initiate a criminal investigation with no evidence whatsoever, a fact we should all be thankful for- unless people fancy police having unwileded powers.

They said the same thing when another woman was missing (Linsday Birbeck).

For 8 days they said there was no evidence of criminal involvement, they were working on the hypothesis that she voluntarily left. They unfortunately dismissed vital clues, such as witnesses reporting a wheelie bin in the area she went missing, police visited it and decided it was not important.

It was later found to be the wheelie bin her murderer used to move her body. The police only changed their minds and started a criminal investigation when her mutilated body was found.

The issue is, when you focus in on one hypothesis then despite keeping an open mind, things can be missed.

Her poor family - I really hope they find answers ASAP. The not knowing must be absolute torture.

Somefang · 12/02/2023 07:15

TrevTro · 12/02/2023 07:13

They said the same thing when another woman was missing (Linsday Birbeck).

For 8 days they said there was no evidence of criminal involvement, they were working on the hypothesis that she voluntarily left. They unfortunately dismissed vital clues, such as witnesses reporting a wheelie bin in the area she went missing, police visited it and decided it was not important.

It was later found to be the wheelie bin her murderer used to move her body. The police only changed their minds and started a criminal investigation when her mutilated body was found.

The issue is, when you focus in on one hypothesis then despite keeping an open mind, things can be missed.

Her poor family - I really hope they find answers ASAP. The not knowing must be absolute torture.

What do you suggest they do then? Just curious.

TrevTro · 12/02/2023 07:22

Their efforts have failed so far during the past two weeks, surely that speaks for itself?

So of course they need to do more. I appreciate without evidence they can't open a criminal investigation but I wonder if they have missed something, like in the previous case I mentioned.

I'm not saying they're purposefully doing a bad job, I saying my confidence in their hypothesis is shaky, because they haven't found her, and they've been wrong before.

Somefang · 12/02/2023 07:35

TrevTro · 12/02/2023 07:22

Their efforts have failed so far during the past two weeks, surely that speaks for itself?

So of course they need to do more. I appreciate without evidence they can't open a criminal investigation but I wonder if they have missed something, like in the previous case I mentioned.

I'm not saying they're purposefully doing a bad job, I saying my confidence in their hypothesis is shaky, because they haven't found her, and they've been wrong before.

They have an unprecedented amount of resource already for a case like this, I'm not saying police are perfect, far from it, but 'do more' what does that even mean when ee arent privy to all of their work. The media have done a good job though of wafting the flames of antI police rhetoric, these cases aren't like on the TV where they always end up wrapped up nicely unfortunately.

DingDonkey · 12/02/2023 07:39

The dog's harness being on the embankment and her phone on the bench does change the picture for me tbh. It fits more with her leaving her phone on the bench whilst she goes down to the water to assist her dog (or look for her dog) and then trips/slips.

To me it looks like a tragic accident but of course there's always a possibility that it's not and I'm sure the police will be investigating that.

TrevTro · 12/02/2023 07:52

Somefang · 12/02/2023 07:35

They have an unprecedented amount of resource already for a case like this, I'm not saying police are perfect, far from it, but 'do more' what does that even mean when ee arent privy to all of their work. The media have done a good job though of wafting the flames of antI police rhetoric, these cases aren't like on the TV where they always end up wrapped up nicely unfortunately.

I agree that we aren't privy to the detail of information they have, so it's impossible for me to be more specific than 'do more'; I hope they do have concrete evidence that Nicola's disappearance is a tragic accident, because the alternative is that there is criminal involvement and they've potentially missed evidence.

I want them to be right, I've been supportive throughout these threads of the police and speculation is, at worst, dangerous, but as time is going on and with experts casting doubts over the river hypothesis, it's natural that, for some, we're hoping the police haven't missed anything that would lead to her being found elsewhere.

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