Missing Woman Nicola Bulley 6

[ofwarren]

These threads are to discuss the disappearance of Nicola Bulley from St Michael's on Wyre.

No speculation without evidence please.

Here are some frequently asked questions, with answers:

1.Where do Nicola and her husband work?

They both work from home which is why he was at home on the day she went missing.

2.Where was the dog harness found / the phone?

Dog harness was found near the river edge not the bench, phone was on on/near the bench.

1. Has the river been searched?

Yes by the police and volunteers from the Specialist Search team

1. Had the dog been in the water, and maybe Ms Bulley went in after her?

Willow appeared distressed but ‘bone dry’, according to the woman who found her. There was no sign of her having gone in the river.

1. Why would she leave her phone on the bench?

Nicola’s phone was found on the bench, still connected to a conference call. So whatever happened, there was no time to end the call or to alert others on the call.

1. Why was she on mute with no video for her business meeting?

This was not unusual, She used to go on work meeting calls with video off and microphone

1. Where was her partner while she was out walking their dog?

He was at home at the time.

1. What about this abandoned house?

Its not abandoned. Its owned by a lovely family who have lived in the village for generations and would do anything they can to help in the search for Nikki.
It has been searched, inside and outside, from top to bottom by the police. This has been clarified with the family themselves and also with the police.
They have never refused entry to the police or told them they need a warrant to search.

1. Did Nicola have a dog ball with her?

No she didn’t she used to but stopped taking a dog ball on walks.

10. Was she swept out to sea?

The police Seargent has said it’s now a possibility Nicola’s body could have drifted out to sea.

11. We’re CCTV cameras working in the area:

The CCTV camera which would have captured everything unfortunately wasn’t working. But the police are actively working to identify 700 motorists travelling in the Garstang Road area on the 27TH of January.

12. Are there any other paths she could have gone down?

Apart from the river, there are only three exits, two of which are covered by CCTV. On her way in, she was seen by several people. No one saw her leave.

I'm as baffled as anyone else but I just wanted to add my thoughts to the theory that she may have wanted to end her life as I have been there
She may well have been seen laughing and joking on that day because once someone has a plan in mind, they can feel relieved their torment will be over soon
I truly hope she is found soon but if she was intent that may be why the police were adamant at first

Yeah literally
So annoying

You are right, that in itself is so weird. How can he not be identified, how sad that someone is probably looking for him but in the wrong place, or sadder that no one is.

When we talk about People going missing and how weird it is I think of the Malaysian plane, sobering all of it.

@mumsnet can this member be banned for a period of time out?

Agree they are spreading malicious inaccurate information about something very sensitive and causing deep offence to many people who have been bereaved by suicide and likely triggering other vulnerable MNers at the same time.

5500 people look their own lives in 2021 (ONS) - 275 by drowning, peak age for women 45-49.

Another factor in locating a device is whether it is running any apps with GPS

If Nicola's Fitbit was not set to synch automatically with Strava, then it is possible she was tracking her walks by using the Strava app which uses GPS to record where you go (producing a map of your walk) and will note if you stop.

Info should be recoverable from the app on the phone, and I expect the company could supply it too.

There is nothing publicly visible on her Strava since November, but that does not mean she had stopped using it. She could have changed her privacy to "only you" or "followers"

Please stop PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE. I know 3 people where this has happened. No clue, no-one saw it coming. One very close to me, and one who was the mother of someone close to me - she was 49. 49!!! Everything in her life seemed fine, and she seemed happy. Took her own life by hanging. Her 19 year old son found her.

PLEASE stop saying the things you are saying. Please 🙏

Oh and one of the 3 I know (and this is just in the past 5 years btw) was 23. A 23 year old man.

to everyone who has lost a loved one to suicide. Please don't let that poster upset you, they do clearly don't know the slightest bit about it.

Hadn't even thought of the impact of those who feel suicidal reading those comments. Not much gets to me but those comments have really hit a nerve to be honest.

The police certainly haven't said there's nothing to indicate suicidal intent. In fact their wording has been "we think Nicola has sadly gone into the water for some reason".

Her dad said she was in good spirits, happy, normal, work going well, happy that she'd finally signed off on this mortgage she was arranging. Now, that could've been a loose end she was happy to get tied up. Who knows.

Her friend says if there's any way Nicola could be with those girls she would be. Yes, she would. People who commit suicide are quite often desperate to be "happy" they feel guilt, they are sorry. They see no other way out. They think their loved ones are better off without them. It's a deeply complicated and personal and emotional thing.

If I disappeared right now my dad would say I'm in great spirits, I love my job, my kids are my everything, we had plans, I've booked a holiday. I'm going for a meal next week with a mate.

My best friends would say absolutely never would she do that but it's been quieter lately and we've not seen much of each other because (endless fucking month of) January.

DH would say she wouldn't leave us but she did have some bad news yesterday at work and has been really worried about big changes that will directly affect her.

What would the police think? Difficult isn't it. If I was next to a river and my beloved pet was there with my phone, they'd think, hmm, one way or another she's in that river. Possibly and accident, possibly intentional. Let's find her and see.

Either way, this monumentally long post shows how much the absolutely disgusting and personal attacks from @SueG60 have upset me (and I'm not the easily offended type 😅). I hope they can temporarily remove her. If she was a 2 year old she'd get time out for sure.

I'm not with the suspicious circumstances thing however I wonder if the privacy settings were changed on November? Someone said about her Facebook settings also only going up to December makes you wonder why?

This interest me

Where was she (and what was she doing) when she spotted the dog, and how long was she looking before deciding there was no sign of an owner and she ought to Do Something?

Timing for her finding phone/harness is specific as well. I'm wondering why she had cause to note it precisely, though I suppose that could be because she was concerned about running late

@Mirabai you're not the thread police. You don't get to say whether it is or not. If we just ignore the awful comments made then families are left to feel they should've known. At least this way it's clear that we didn't to anyone reading and that is ok.

Are the only ways out of the fields the kissing gate behind the bench and the private locked gate into Rowanwater or are there more?

To resolve some of the confusion on witnesses:

8.47 NB saw and interacted with a friend.
9.10 seen in field by fellow dog walker - male, aged 70, whose wife was the one who spoke to the press about it. Not clear if she was with her DH at the time.
9.20 according to mobile signal the phone was back in the vicinity of the bench.
9.33 woman, local business owner, found the ‘agitated’ dog loose which she tied up with string, found the phone and put it on the bench.

This was much confused by the fact that one of NB’s friends reported to press that the woman found the dog and another male found the phone on the ground 2 feet from the bench.

Because people just change their privacy settings?? No reason behind it, I changed my Instagram to private no sinister reason but thought why do I have it public I’m not trying to be an influencer and changed it to private

Sorry I upset you, didn't mean to. It's hard to get all your points out when you're typing online, I didn't want to belittle suicide victims in any way.

I still don't think this is a case of that, as the last poster just said you wouldn't enter the river around that bench to do it.

Lets leave it at that. Have a good day.

This isn’t really the place for a discussion of posters’s personal or professional experience of suicide.

People have been driven to talk of personal experiences because of one poster's insistence that it is impossible because they don't think she was the type.

I hope that poster now leaves this thread because they are spreading disinformation and knowingly hurting people.

Indeed I am not, but could I politely remind you that this thread is about the case of a missing woman. It is not a thread about the general subject of suicide, and those who wish to discuss this might do so elsewhere so that this one does not get pulled.

@Mirabai I don't need a "polite" reminder, it's relevant whether you think it is or it isn't.

However, I don't want to talk about it, I hide threads about it so I won't be starting a new one! We were almost forced into talking about it by a poster making offensive and untrue claims. I had to challenge that. These assumptions fuel the stigma and it can be crippling to live with.

I truly hope that's not the case here, and I do agree you wouldn't attempt it in that stretch of the river and even if you did manage it there, you would be found.

Equally though, it’s a thread about a missing woman and the last 10 pages are mostly about suicide (even before I commented - and that’s why I did comment). That’s a pretty hurtful thing to be saying about it, if it was my family member it would be worse than if it was an accident or if she’d been taken through no fault of her own.

And I will go now and leave you guys to it.

Agree with pps @Mirabai how DARE you tell people how to post and what is appropriate according to you, and that a suicide couldn't possibly happen in 3-4 feet of water. You know nothing about what happened with Nicola, and you have NO right to tell people how to post. If people wish to discuss suicides of their loved ones, that is their right. It's a free country.

I suppose there is a possibility that she deliberately went into a shallow stretch of water as a cry for help rather than an actual attempt to drown but unfortunately, against all odds, she never made it out.

Thank you
Very helpful

or that she walked to where it was deeper.

There would have been time.