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HappyHamsters · 04/08/2022 18:40

Riverlee · 04/08/2022 18:19

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This article says that a family member says a hospice has agreed to take him.

no, its a family "spokesperson" and I think it was posted yesterday

MsBallen · 04/08/2022 18:43

NotHerRealNames · 04/08/2022 18:38

There are no winners here.

Can the hospital remove Hollie if she becomes abusive towards the staff?

Yes they can, although in absolute fairness they try their best to keep things calm and that's the last resort.

thoroughlypipinghotbeforeserving · 04/08/2022 18:48

The interviewers can't challenge any of Hollie's statements or put the hospitals point of view across.

So they can't conduct a true interview, because how could they really with her child dead/dying? It would seem callous.
So the media around this seems false and so one sided.

BreadInCaptivity · 04/08/2022 18:50

thoroughlypipinghotbeforeserving · 04/08/2022 18:48

The interviewers can't challenge any of Hollie's statements or put the hospitals point of view across.

So they can't conduct a true interview, because how could they really with her child dead/dying? It would seem callous.
So the media around this seems false and so one sided.

What they can do however is follow up the interview with another person (a HCP) who offers an explanation of the facts.

70isaLimitNotaTarget · 04/08/2022 18:51

She's complaining one minute there's always nurses around then the next they've done nothing to care for him
Complaining one was 'humming' at 2am . <sigh>

If ( in the very unikely event of it being allowed) he is transported to a hospice , he will be with his ventilator and all monitoring equipment ?
Will that be removed immediately when he is handed over to the care of the Hospice ? If he was to actually survive the journey ?
His death is expected to be very rapid after withdrawel ?

Hollie spoke about his last moments , his last few days
Is she expecting days with Archie once he is off all his Life Support ?

Offredismysister · 04/08/2022 18:52

Given that the court sat at 3:30 & there has been nothing on the news channels, the appeal was likely refused.

There is probably a ban on reporting so the hospital could start the process of withdrawing life support. Either that or nature has taken its course.

Soubriquet · 04/08/2022 18:52

70isaLimitNotaTarget · 04/08/2022 18:51

She's complaining one minute there's always nurses around then the next they've done nothing to care for him
Complaining one was 'humming' at 2am . <sigh>

If ( in the very unikely event of it being allowed) he is transported to a hospice , he will be with his ventilator and all monitoring equipment ?
Will that be removed immediately when he is handed over to the care of the Hospice ? If he was to actually survive the journey ?
His death is expected to be very rapid after withdrawel ?

Hollie spoke about his last moments , his last few days
Is she expecting days with Archie once he is off all his Life Support ?

Possibly. She’s so confident he will survive being taken off life support

GirlInACountrySong · 04/08/2022 18:53

yes it think she fully believes he will come round

exnewwifeproblems · 04/08/2022 18:53

Offredismysister · 04/08/2022 18:52

Given that the court sat at 3:30 & there has been nothing on the news channels, the appeal was likely refused.

There is probably a ban on reporting so the hospital could start the process of withdrawing life support. Either that or nature has taken its course.

I think there's a blackout on reporting too.

bloodyplanes · 04/08/2022 18:54

Sorry for the link to the daily fail. It looks like the media are starting to turn on her, i knew they would. JANET STREET-PORTER: We should just let poor Archie die with dignity
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Bsmirched · 04/08/2022 18:55

@Offredismysister that has been my thinking, too.

itsgettingweird · 04/08/2022 18:56

thoroughlypipinghotbeforeserving · 04/08/2022 18:48

The interviewers can't challenge any of Hollie's statements or put the hospitals point of view across.

So they can't conduct a true interview, because how could they really with her child dead/dying? It would seem callous.
So the media around this seems false and so one sided.

Actually I think this explains the interviewers discomfort.

She can't dispute what is being said although teach sentence was entirely contradictory as pointed out.

"Always 2-3 nurses in the room" yet "they do nothing to care for him"

If they walked out that room there would be no need to provide care. As blunt as that is that's an absolute fact.

It's totally understandable options are entirely opposite and Ms dance wants to fight for Archie (whether I agree with her actions or not/ and the fact I wouldn't so the same - I understand why she feels it's right).

But I don't actually know if she has grasped this. Grasped the seriousness of his medical condition.
She still talks about "his final days" in a hospice.

I seriously cannot fathom if I want to hold her tight and hug her or shake some sense of reality into her

itsgettingweird · 04/08/2022 18:58

Bbc news said about 30 minutes ago the family were still waiting for news.

Helen Wilkinson (think that was her surname) did a really good report imo.

OpinionsUnseen · 04/08/2022 19:03

It’s possible that they are having to go through the process of transfer in intricate detail in order to make an informed judgement as to whether or not it should be permitted.

dapsnotplimsolls · 04/08/2022 19:04

I think the judge is continuing to hear evidence.

PomRuns · 04/08/2022 19:05

There will be 2-3 nurses in the room to support to each other and be witnesses to the care they are giving. Poor boy is likely to be 2:1 care with his needs - 3rd nurse to provide support.

They will be dreading their shifts while still want to provide the best care to Archie. So much sympathy for this team.

Wearpantsffs · 04/08/2022 19:05

Thing is, if he arrests en route to the hospice (or in the lift for that matter) they’ll likely have to resus him. Which will be a fucking shitshow.

PeloAddict · 04/08/2022 19:06

Wearpantsffs · 04/08/2022 19:05

Thing is, if he arrests en route to the hospice (or in the lift for that matter) they’ll likely have to resus him. Which will be a fucking shitshow.

They won't as there is a DNAR in place

MaggieFS · 04/08/2022 19:06

I just had a skim through the JSP Fail article. It's a shame she doesn't use her platform to let rip at the CLC.

thoroughlypipinghotbeforeserving · 04/08/2022 19:06

Offredismysister · 04/08/2022 18:52

Given that the court sat at 3:30 & there has been nothing on the news channels, the appeal was likely refused.

There is probably a ban on reporting so the hospital could start the process of withdrawing life support. Either that or nature has taken its course.

Ummmm the silence is unusual. But didn't Hollie say in her interview this morning that Paul had gone home so she wouldn't let anything happen today.

Wearpantsffs · 04/08/2022 19:08

PeloAddict · 04/08/2022 19:06

They won't as there is a DNAR in place

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Well, you say that. But I think they might, you know like if a DNR patient arrests in theatre.

BreadInCaptivity · 04/08/2022 19:08

Wearpantsffs · 04/08/2022 19:05

Thing is, if he arrests en route to the hospice (or in the lift for that matter) they’ll likely have to resus him. Which will be a fucking shitshow.

I believe a DNR is in place, so that would not happen.

He would "die" in transit, possibly without any family present given the number of HCP's who would need to be in the ambulance to support his care (and thus a lack of space).

PeloAddict · 04/08/2022 19:10

@Wearpantsffs I honestly don't think they would
You don't want to be having to explain why you did resuscitation on a DNAR patient

OpinionsUnseen · 04/08/2022 19:18

Thing is, if he arrests en route to the hospice (or in the lift for that matter) they’ll likely have to resus him. Which will be a fucking shitshow. no they absolutely wouldn’t. Even without a DNR there are some patients for who resuscitation is futile, and this would be one of them.

Bearing in mind he would be being transferred to a hospice to die, they’re not going to keep him alive so they can coriograph his death. If he dies before the treatment is due to be withdrawn then that is how it is.

Eeksteek · 04/08/2022 19:34

I seriously doubt there’s the remotest question of poor Archie going anywhere. It’s taking the focused efforts of 2-3 people, 24 hours a day along with a full team of support just to keep his heart beating. I know usually they withdraw all the lines and so on, but I think the moment they stop any of the plates spinning here a cascade will start and his heart will just stop. I wonder if he would make it to extubation. Unless they are just to not going to wind everything down and just extubate, because it’s the swiftest and kindest thing (given the bodily chaos that other withdrawing interventions might cause. That might be quite distressing to witness). I don’t know.

I think there is very little grasp, anywhere, of how tenuous his condition is. He is on the very cusp of what can be done to hold someone on the brink. He is so precarious that being turned in bed is a life-threatening event for him.