Baby denied treatment, my heart just broke 💔

[ReelTears]

I struggled to get to the end of this article. We're hearing so much about the plight of the poor Ukrainians at the moment, there are peoples who are also struggling just to physically access basic necessities. I can't imagine watching my baby die because the people enforcing apartheid (as stated by the United Nations) won't give me permission to travel to a hospital where she could be treated. I am heartbroken for this poor little girl and her parents, why aren't we protesting at her treatment, and the similar incidents mentioned here?

www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/01/palestinian-baby-dies-after-treatment-delayed-by-israeli-blockade-of-gaza

A protest against apartheid, showing support to Palestinians? They happen regularly. Lots of people care deeply about the war crimes that are taking place there, just like we all do about the ones taking place in Ukraine.

If regular protests happen and this poor girl still died what do you think another protest will achieve? Do you think one more protest 1000s of kms away is going to be the tipping point?

Do you think one more protest 1000s of kms away is going to be the tipping point?

No, but boycotting from 1000s of kms away could certainly be the tipping point.

Look how quickly companies pulled out of Russia.

Some humanity and common sense is needed rather than political mudslinging. This child and her carer should have been granted a permit. Whoever failed to do so should be held to account. Who bombed who isn't relevant. She should have been granted the equivalent of her own humanitarian corridor as others have been.

@BoredZelda

If this is of so much concern to you why not get off your keyboard, join the Red Cross (or Red Crescent) and volunteer over there?

@Afterallsbeensaidanddone

Some humanity and common sense is needed rather than political mudslinging. This child and her carer should have been granted a permit. Whoever failed to do so should be held to account. Who bombed who isn't relevant. She should have been granted the equivalent of her own humanitarian corridor as others have been.

Absolutely.

@Afterallsbeensaidanddone

'Some humanity and common sense is needed rather than political mudslinging. This child and her carer should have been granted a permit. Whoever failed to do so should be held to account. Who bombed who isn't relevant. She should have been granted the equivalent of her own humanitarian corridor as others have been.'

In an ideal world this might be relevant, but sadly this isn't the case.

As long as Gaza is being controlled by a terrorist organisation committed to the annihilation of the State of Israel, then a blockade will be necessary.

The blockade is necessary to protect Israeli citizens from terrorism, rocket attacks and any other hostile activity and to prevent dual use goods from entering Gaza.

As long as Hamas puts its desire to destroy Israel above the welfare of its citizens then these tragedies will happen

Who bombed who isn't relevant. I think you'll find it is very relevant to the Israelis.

www.nationalworld.com/news/world/israeli-palestinian-conflict-nine-children-killed-in-israeli-airstrike-following-hamas-rocket-attacks-3231902

😂who bombed who is relevant to the israeli only when it isnt them being attacked.
And only them can compare rockets with actual bombings.
Nice job finding links, shall we find some more to explain the other side??

www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/12/31/palestine-gaza-young-victims-israel-bombardment-may

For example. Also "coincidence" that israeli attacks are usually during religious festivities, eg Ramadan.
Oh, but of course, apparently they are just retaliating and defending themselves 🙄

www.hrw.org/news/2017/06/18/israeli-forces-kill-gaza-fisherman-sea

UN on israel human rights violations
www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/03/special-rapporteur-situation-human-rights-occupied-palestinian-territories

Absolutely. It's disgusting and heartbreaking.

@pucelleauxblanchesmains

*of. And yes obviously people will say the balance of deaths isn't the same - which I agree with! But for a supposedly rabidly pro Israel site, the first reaction to anything involving Israel is "and-those-Jews-will-cry-racism"

Not true, as condemning the state of Israel and its actions or lack of them is not being anti Jewish no matter how some might like to portray it as such. The treatment of the Palestinian people is disgraceful.

ReadtheFT - the reason flare-ups often happen during Ramadhan is that people have more spare time to cause trouble and even the less religious are turning up to the mosque, so a good time for some fiery preaching about how, eg, the Jews are taking over Al Aqsa.

38Thesefeetaremadeforwalking

Great user name!

I do of course think who bombed who is very relevant but not in this context. Even countries at war can and should establish humanitarian corridors to protect children from the punitive damage of war. This is about shared humanity and it's a long established practice. The alternative is so ghastly (as in the case of this poor child) that common decency usually prevails. The Israeli government concur in theory so this practice of delaying the process, is simply denying children the chance to access medical appointments they have a right to attend. Allowing the child but refusing access to the parent until it is too late is also effectively denying necessary medical treatment despite in theory subscribing to the humanitarian corridor.

I think your political views have overcome your humanity. Which, considering the alternative, is appalling.

@briefly

I think you are misinformed.

This is about shared humanity and it's a long established practice.

Examples, please ^

Under the Oslo accords, (1993) responsibility for health care was transferred from Israel to the Palestinian Authority. Nonetheless, in 2010, 180,000 Palestinians received medical treatment in Israel.

In 2015 27,000 permits were issued by Israel.

50% of the the 1.1 million population of Gaza are children (0 - 14 years).

Patients reported to Aid Agencies in June 2020 that the Palestinian Ministry of Health refused to refer them to Israeli hospitals or cover the cost of treatment in Israel. Consequently, Israeli hospitals have refused to admit back organ transplant patients who have returned to their homes for post-surgery rehabilitation.

Are you seriously suggesting that Israel should provide free medical treatment for all these individuals?

The latest figure I have show that 2,000 applications a month are being made made for treatment in Israel.

I think your political views have overcome your humanity. Which, considering the alternative, is appalling.

^ that is your opinion based, I believe, on ignorance of the situation and the misguided belief that resources are infinite.

@samG76

ReadtheFT - the reason flare-ups often happen during Ramadhan is that people have more spare time to cause trouble and even the less religious are turning up to the mosque, so a good time for some fiery preaching about how, eg, the Jews are taking over Al Aqsa.

Of course, those troublemaking palestinians with too much time on their hands lol Always, always someone else's fault, never is israel to blame isnt it. Following the victimist narrative as always. Poor us, only because we took over most of their country and kill and abuse them , they throw rock at us, bo hoo

@ReadtheFT

Poor us, only because we took over most of their country and kill and abuse them , they throw rock at us, bo hoo

What on earth are you talking about??

Egypt had control of Gaza from 1959-67 and controlled it with a military governor.

In 1967 Arab forces supported by guerilla groups from Syria, Jordan and Lebanon mobilized their forces against Israel. Israel responded with a pre-emptive strike against the coalition.

This was called the '6 Day War. Israel captured territory held by Egypt, Syria, and Jordan, ( including Gaza) none of which was recaptured by military means.

Israel returned the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt in 1982 as part of a peace treaty.

Israel disengaged from Gaza in 2005 and elections were held.

Hamas won the Palestinian legislative elections on 25 January 2006, establishing a Palestinian national unity government with Fatah (the moderate opposition). This government effectively collapsed with the outbreak of the violent conflict between Hamas and Fatah.

Since the division between the two parties, there have been conflicts between Hamas and similar factions operating in Gaza,

Non of these conflicts have anything to do with Israel

A unity government was finally sworn in on 2 June 2014. The government was supposed to exercise its functions in Gaza, and to form a government of national unity whose members would be from all Palestinian factions, including Hamas, Fatah and all other factions. It did not happen because of disagreements between the two rival parties.

Thus many of the problems in this area are caused directly by Gaza being unable to govern itself in a democratic manner.

They are absolutely nothing to do with Israel.

So please stop posting ill-informed Antisemetic nonsense.

Ha, there we go with the anti semitic accuse. So predictable. Anti israel is not anti semitic, stop sprouting bullshit. If israel "disingaged "from gaza in 2005 why are the illegal settlements bombing abusing racism, hours and hours queueing to reach hospitals and work places, all the loopholes that palestinians ex pats need to go thru to go back home... Why is all this continuing?
Ah, cant question bar being branded antisemitic lol

thesefeet

You didn't address my point, really. The applications are made because there is no other way for this people group to access this medical care. Israel is a much wealthier nation and resources are infinite in comparison. Moreover these children have appointments.

Giving responsibility is not the same thing as the body in question having the power to discharge that responsibility.

I'm quite saddened that you would resist the concept of a humanitarian corridor, or access for children who have already been granted appointments in the country in question. I suspect you'd feel very differently if your child needed life saving treatment could only be accessed in, say, the US and everything was ready to go, you just couldn't get into the country. You do seem to have lost sight of the human lives involved. No one is more important than the children of both nations and this thread was begun about a Palestinian child who has died for the want of treatment that Israel was technically willing to give her. That shouldn't happen.

Quoting numbers of permits irrelevant unless you also quote the numbers of people who had appointments they couldn't attend and those children for whom the permit was useless because it was somehow imagined that a two year old could toddle their way there.

You have a very polarised view that only stands up to scrutiny if certain moral absolutes are ignored. That is strange and unusual.

Thank you for those worthwhile historical reminders, Thesefeetaremadeforwalking - there was some stuff there which even I'd forgotten

It probably won't go down well with those who ignore the many nuances and see only through the Israel bad/Palestine good lens, but it was a good reminder all the same

I don't see the need for a lens. It's an atrocious situation. With one child who just died unnecessarily. That fills my lens and I'm sure her parents aren't able to see past it either. Some things are worth fighting for and children are one of them. Just a permit, that's not hard.

DD's school recently made a huge fuss about welcoming new pupils from Ukraine. I know for a fact we have Syrian refugee children but this was never mentioned. I don't think it's deliberate on the schools part but not sure if it's better or worse that it's ended up this way ...