Are we going to end up having a war.?

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All this going on - do I need to be worried about a war coming ? With Russia ?

@Sammy900

USA was a very heartfelt -please please don't do this

U.K - was a powerful speech, meaning we will crush your economy, close your banks

Too little, too late. This situation has been brewing for years.

@TooBigForMyBoots

We are Russia's enemy.

Which is terrifying

@user1471453601

Didn't Johnson say committing troops to Ukrain won't happen?

Although he usually does the opposite of what he says. And he also said "we" would stand shoulder to shoulder with Ukrain.

So it's anyones guess what the forces may do.

My guess is that any action taken against a Russian invasion of Ukrain would be led by NATO. So UK troops may be involved via NATO

I think we've sent "peace keeping" troops to Ukraine.

The other issue is that China is supporting Russia, which then pits China vs USA more definitively

So we are likely to be next on russias hit list

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Should I be scared? I've got kids
I don't want to let them leave the house

Right now Russia’s focus is Ukraine, but once this is done…. I’m concerned yes.

Yes it is @Joystir59. If this escalates, it will be a war like no other.

Ds' best friend from childhood is over there in the US Army positioned to start fighting in Ukraine. He's been training for this for a year at least. So sad that there wasn't a non-violent solution....but when you have madmen, logic doesn't work.

Russia and Ukraine have been at war since 2014.

Russia don't want Ukraine to be part of NATO. If they invade Ukraine in the sense that they try to occupy and take the country, they'll have three nato countries on their border instead of one potential one.

What they're doing now is not much different to various other things they've done in the last 50 years. Everyone's terrified because of mass media hyping it up due to the size and nuclear capability (and long held propaganda about Russia being unstable and psychotic- when you just look at the way some other nations paint our own country and leaders, you see how easy it is to create a false impression.)

Scary when someone with nukes says "if you interfere, you'll face consequences the like of which you've never seen." Except America said that first to Russia and they remain the only nation to ever have attacked with nukes.

This has been bubbling for a couple of years. This is not meant to create world war three. Nobody wants that. If anything, it's probably to show up how much hot air NATO blows

Also, many people don't realise that the US and Russia are only about 3 miles apart at their closest point. Alaska and Russia have the Bering strait between them and have each got an island within that.

In the U.K. we tend to think of Russia and America as half a world and more away from one another. We are wrong. The same as we are wrong when we think of Ukraine as this poor, tiny nation with no defences. It's huge compared to us. They have a much bigger armed forces than we do. We aren't rushing in to save a kitten from a pitbull, although the media will certainly paint it that way.

A lot of people might think Putin is unstable and Boris Johnson is incompetent but Putin has managed Russia for twenty years and Boris Johnson knows a lot about self preservation. He isn't likely to really pick a fight. Even the sanctions given won't aggravate Putin too much. We are not significant to Russia. We are not big enough, not powerful enough and not close enough to be interesting to anyone with large amount of/making a play for more global power.

Nukes are so 20th century.🙄 We are completely dependent on technology so hackers in a building on the other side of Europe could cause chaos without even leaving their seats.

@TooBigForMyBoots,

Those 20th century weapons can still totally destroy humanity.

Having lived through the end of the cold war, I truly think some people (including many of our politicians) have lost the fear of mankind’s ultimate deterrent, which is truly terrifying.

Hacking just prepares the ground for kinetic weapons.

I know @TheReluctantPhoenix. I too lived through the Cold War. I remember my fear in the early 80s.

I don't think Putin wants to destroy humanity. Nukes are expensive and messy. Hackers could bring this country to its knees, cheaply and anonymously and Putin can pretend it has nothing to do with him.

If we were to send any of our troups over there to help out, then it would be time to be worrying about a potential war. Most people seem to think that Putin is an unhinged dictator, who doesn't give a fig about what anyone thinks about him, and is capable of doing anything cruel and nasty, so who knows what he will get up to next.

Everything @ LadyFyck said.

@TooBigForMyBoots,

I think you may underestimate our own hackers. We could respond, and U.S would help. If it were a hacking war, it would be Russia against the world.

Putin could pretend lots of things, as could we. But a Russian hack would have his signature all over it.

I don’t think Putin wants to destroy the World either but, if it ever does get destroyed, it won’t be ‘on purpose’, it will be brinkmanship going over the brink.

What does Putin want? What will he get from Ukraine apart from the massive expense of occupation. As soon as Russia takes its troops away, the Ukrainians will take their country back.

I'm concerned about this definitely.

I don't think there'll be an all out WW. No one is that crazy with the nuke arsenal the Russians and Chinese, have.

The West, sanctions and all, will fold. Most allied countries including NATO are already committed not to send boots to Ukraine which means Ukraine is on its own with the weapons America supplies to a government close to American interestests.

I said in a previous post a month ago in a similar thread that Russia invading Ukraine was a foregone conclussion if you look at what has been happening since the fall of the old Soviet Union and the guarantees the West gave to Gorbachev with the reunification of Germany that NATO will never expand to East Europe. Nato has been expanding since then and sooner or later Russia was going to take action.

nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early

Most people seem to think that Putin is an unhinged dictator,

He is not. He knows what he wants and he has spent many years and much planning to get here.

I think you may underestimate our own hackers. We could respond, and U.S would help. If it were a hacking war, it would be Russia against the world.

It really wouldn't. It would be Russia against the West. China will steer clear and the rest of the world have their own shit going on.

I think you over estimate our tech abilities @TheReluctantPhoenix. Cyber crime is very under reported for fear of causing market disturbance. For years Russian and other hackers have hit banks, big industry, governments and even the NHS. The UK has been too busy dealing with Brexit and Covid to address cybersecurity.

In the US neither Trump nor Biden prioritised it.

IMO we should send troops and help out in anyway we can. We cannot let this be seen as okay. To sit back and watch a much larger and much richer country invade its neighbours, kill and torture thousands and force them to live under their law and their rules. We have to stop it to say this is not acceptable whether ukraine is a nato member or not we cannot just watch and 'feel sorry' for them. These are men women and children not alike all of us and it could be us one day. Ive just read they are now attacking from the north aswell. I massively underestimated this thinking he only wanted the two rebel states its looking like he wants all of ukraine. This is a terrible day for the whole world. We must all respond surely and stop this genocide surely? Sanctions are not enough to save the innocent people of ukraine

I too think we will be ‘involved’ - even just sanctions will have an impact. It’s so unsettling.

It's snowing where I am.🙃

This is awful news for Ukraine but also for the Baltic states, Taiwan, any boarding democratic state that China or Russia covet.
I'm so unsettled by the situation. There are no good outcomes. Putin is not going to back down now.