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Are we going to end up having a war.?

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sqiudgames · 29/01/2022 07:56

All this going on - do I need to be worried about a war coming ? With Russia ?

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Keepyourheadscrewedon · 24/02/2022 11:42

Putin interestingly does not have a 'successor'
There would be nobody readily waiting to take over.

It would destabilise Russia if Putin was vaporised, and yes there are means that have been used many many times before successfully to target individuals without anyone leaving their armchair.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 24/02/2022 18:54

@spaceman1

Putin has calculated that there won't be a meaningful military response to his invasion and proceeded on that basis. He would be more apprehensive about invading a country that is a nato member.
I think that's right. This is why he pounced on Ukraine now, before they had the protection of NATO
MrsSkylerWhite · 24/02/2022 20:07

Today 06:49 MrsSkylerWhite

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk guidelines.“

WTF?
Why?

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/02/2022 20:11

Oh, OK. So a Russian bit got me wiped out.
Do your homework please, MNHQ.
A couple of the replies were clearly heavily biased. I was wiped out, they weren’t.
Step away from the algorithms and engage your minds. It matters, now.

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/02/2022 20:15

Bot, not but, obviously.

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/02/2022 20:17

Bit!!!
FFS, I give up.
Whatever.

Someone suggesting that some replies on this site are bots then being deleted is worrying, though.

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/02/2022 21:35

MNHQ see it as troll hunting.

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/02/2022 22:10

Then they’re idiots.

TheReluctantPhoenix · 25/02/2022 06:53

I am not a BOT and, like most, believe Putin has no just cause for this war. I hope that the Ukrainians can turn this into a long war of attrition and eventually emerge as a sovereign nation.

However, when we (‘the coalition of the willing’) attacked Iraq, we lost the moral high ground. We attacked a sovereign nation miles away on the flimsiest of pretexts.

And, so far (which is a big qualification), the Russian army have acted far more bravely and compassionately than the U.S (and U.K) did in Iraq. They have actually sent ground troops in before bombing the hell out of the Ukrainian infrastructure. And what the U.S infantry did to the Iraqi conscript army, shelling them with up-to-date artillery in their trenches, was pretty vile. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis died vs, so far, a few hundred Ukrainians.

Now, wars tend to turn nasty (they are never nice), so I may end up eating my words, but people tend to forget recent history very quickly.

This war seems to be a personal Putin vendetta as opposed to most wars, which are actually about economic resources.

Thankfully, wiser heads in the U.S and, latterly, the EU seem to be prevailing. Boris’s ‘churchillian’ speeches, with nothing to back them up, are utterly pointless and provocative. The oligarchs’ children are, in an hour or so, being taken to their Chelsea private schools, and I am sure Chelski will see its normal share of Russian supporters, who will go on to a £200/head meal after the match.

Realpolitik is a grown ups’ game.

Keepyourheadscrewedon · 25/02/2022 07:03

The Russians have behaved with despicable brutality throughout Ukraine. Although I believe they are having to 'pause' as their soldiers are starving and they have run out supplies. Maybe this isn't going to be the easy war Putin thought it would be!

I wouldn't rest too easy with the Russian children relaxing in their gilded cages in Chelsea, there are now strong calls now for all western privileges to be removed from the Russian gangsters operating in London. Having Russian friends myself that are horrified with the actions of Putin, I think we have to be careful, thousands of protests are under way in Russia against the war - it would be better if we isolate Putin and see him for the deranged and depraved man he truly is, a man that has spent the last two years in his own bubble of isolation revisiting history books and the golden era of Russia that has long gone when faced with the actual terminal decline of Russia today.

The ending of this terrible decision of Putin's is far from decided, far from over for him, and many unexpected developments can happen between now and the conclusion. If I was a betting kinda gal my bets would be on Ukraine holding strong. They have nothing left to lose...

MarshaBradyo · 25/02/2022 07:11

@TheReluctantPhoenix

I am not a BOT and, like most, believe Putin has no just cause for this war. I hope that the Ukrainians can turn this into a long war of attrition and eventually emerge as a sovereign nation.

However, when we (‘the coalition of the willing’) attacked Iraq, we lost the moral high ground. We attacked a sovereign nation miles away on the flimsiest of pretexts.

And, so far (which is a big qualification), the Russian army have acted far more bravely and compassionately than the U.S (and U.K) did in Iraq. They have actually sent ground troops in before bombing the hell out of the Ukrainian infrastructure. And what the U.S infantry did to the Iraqi conscript army, shelling them with up-to-date artillery in their trenches, was pretty vile. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis died vs, so far, a few hundred Ukrainians.

Now, wars tend to turn nasty (they are never nice), so I may end up eating my words, but people tend to forget recent history very quickly.

This war seems to be a personal Putin vendetta as opposed to most wars, which are actually about economic resources.

Thankfully, wiser heads in the U.S and, latterly, the EU seem to be prevailing. Boris’s ‘churchillian’ speeches, with nothing to back them up, are utterly pointless and provocative. The oligarchs’ children are, in an hour or so, being taken to their Chelsea private schools, and I am sure Chelski will see its normal share of Russian supporters, who will go on to a £200/head meal after the match.

Realpolitik is a grown ups’ game.

What have US and EU put in place you’d like to see here?
MarshaBradyo · 25/02/2022 07:12

@Keepyourheadscrewedon

The Russians have behaved with despicable brutality throughout Ukraine. Although I believe they are having to 'pause' as their soldiers are starving and they have run out supplies. Maybe this isn't going to be the easy war Putin thought it would be!

I wouldn't rest too easy with the Russian children relaxing in their gilded cages in Chelsea, there are now strong calls now for all western privileges to be removed from the Russian gangsters operating in London. Having Russian friends myself that are horrified with the actions of Putin, I think we have to be careful, thousands of protests are under way in Russia against the war - it would be better if we isolate Putin and see him for the deranged and depraved man he truly is, a man that has spent the last two years in his own bubble of isolation revisiting history books and the golden era of Russia that has long gone when faced with the actual terminal decline of Russia today.

The ending of this terrible decision of Putin's is far from decided, far from over for him, and many unexpected developments can happen between now and the conclusion. If I was a betting kinda gal my bets would be on Ukraine holding strong. They have nothing left to lose...

I agree this focussing on all Russians is complex as many will be against.
MollyQueenOfSocks · 25/02/2022 07:22

Things I saw on Mumsnet:

"There won't be a pandemic, covid will never come as far as this"

"They won't send us into lockdown, it would never work"

"No way would they lock us down a second/third time (delete as applicable)"

"Putin is just flexing his muscles, definitely won't invade and attack Ukraine"

Given that Boris ours his big fat foot in it constantly, I would not be surprised if he says something to piss Putin off, sticking a glaring red target on the UK. Might not be a physical attack but there is also a lot of talk of cyber attacks which could greatly affect our infrastructure.

We have underestimated Boris' stupidity way too many times.

TheReluctantPhoenix · 25/02/2022 07:23

@MarshaBradyo,

By the Ukrainians’ own count, only a few hundred deaths have been recorded. Where do you get the ‘despicable brutality’ from?

The EU and U.S, whilst condemning Russia’s actions in the strongest of terms, have kept back channels open and vetoed the SWIFT ban, which would have cut off the Russian economy. As we speak, gas is flowing through Ukraine to Germany, and being paid for.

The U.S has also made abundantly clear that they are not going to war over Ukraine.

Both the E.U and U.S have not used the jingoistic language of BJ and his cabinet. No talk of ‘kicking their arses’ or ‘defeating them militarily’.

Macron is also keeping a dialogue going with Putin.

You just don’t push a brutal (and maybe mad) dictator to a position where he has nowhere to go. Far better to lose Ukraine and fight another day than to risk a hot war with a nuclear power.

MarshaBradyo · 25/02/2022 07:27

By the Ukrainians’ own count, only a few hundred deaths have been recorded. Where do you get the ‘despicable brutality’ from?

Did you mean to tag me? I didn’t mention this just asked a question on EU and US

From your response you don’t want more done but less? Many calls for harsher measures but you are not keen I take it

TheReluctantPhoenix · 25/02/2022 07:29

And, interestingly, Putin has copied the U.S Iraqi playbook to the letter:

Flimsy pretext/false flag attack=(non-existent) WMD in Iraq

Cannot tolerate NATO state on Russian border=cannot tolerate IRAQ with chemical warheads that could target U.S

‘De-nazification’=‘de-Baathification’

List of people to arrest=‘pack of playing cards’ (remember those)

It is almost as if he is taunting the U.S here.

And, you may notice that Tony ‘Bliar’, who normally loves to tell us what to do, is staying very quiet.

TheReluctantPhoenix · 25/02/2022 07:37

@MarshaBradyo,

In terms of what I want done, no jingoism and enough measures to suggest to Putin that we are serious, but few enough that we have the really hurtful stuff as a threat, should things get worse.

Keep back channels open. We need to kbow what Putin is actually after.

Show Putin respect. We have zero to gain by rubbishing him, and everything to lose.

Harden militarily the NATO borders, and have plenty of aerial exercises on the Poland/Ukraine border for instance. This is our line in the sand and where we will fight (dreadful though that would be).

Offer Putin a big carrot should he withdraw, such as Russian NATO membership.

Medium term, EU countries, especially Germany, invest in a modern military (they did not have real ammo for one of their recent drills).

We won the Cold War by making it clear to Russia that if they wanted an arms race, we would win it. The EU have to stop criticising the U.S while hiding behind her military skirt.

LINABE · 25/02/2022 07:43

@Sammy900

all of the poor ordinary people that are going to be effected by this
As always. It makes me so sad and angry.
Keepyourheadscrewedon · 25/02/2022 07:46

Far better to lose Ukraine and fight another day than to risk a hot war with a nuclear power

That sounds like a direct threat to us Thereluctant Already trying to bully us into playing to your tune on here.

Are you rattled that Russia might actually lose?

It is not looking great is it, this 'pause' that is needed by Russia. Not great at all.

Well let me tell you, we are not afraid of little Hitler's threat of nuclear war, we will not be cowered into accepting the loss of a perfectly contented independent, democratic country and there is no way on earth we will ever give up on Ukraine and its right to self govern.

So just to be clear: As YOU are clearly an out and out Putin supporter killing hundreds of innocent people by anyone's measure is brutal and despicable. No matter which way you play with the words and minimise such blood shed and loss of life. They were all humans, all with lives and hearts and families. You disregard them with such flippancy - and there will be many many more to come on BOTH sides.

Your side will be incinerating their losses though with their 'mobile incinerating unit's, that is the gratitude and value of your great army, seemingly too worthless to even be sent home to their mothers.

It is the absolute definition of despicable brutality that we see in Ukraine today by any measure

www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/02/23/russia-deploys-mobile-crematorium-follow-troops-battle/

metro.co.uk/2022/02/24/russia-deploys-mobile-crematoriums-to-follow-troops-into-ukraine-16162585/

TheReluctantPhoenix · 25/02/2022 07:51

@Keepyourheadscrewedon,

Have you actually read my posts?

I am curious to know how you would like this to play out.

Something based on reality would be nice.

Keepyourheadscrewedon · 25/02/2022 07:54

Oh I have read your posts alright. Sadly for all of us.

LINABE · 25/02/2022 07:54

@Keepyourheadscrewedon

No one in Russia wants this war, they have families and deep cultural connections to Ukraine.

Russia is a terrified and muzzled nation and has no chance of even holding a protest against the war without being immediately arrested and thrown into jail or killed.

This, of course.
Keepyourheadscrewedon · 25/02/2022 07:58

Yes and a starving Russian army forced into killing innocents as cannon fodder for a depraved manic of a leader - might just lose the will to win at all.

And yet the Russian people are out in their thousands standing up for what is right even as we speak, risking everything to have their voices heard, and in their namesake a terrible war that is happening as we speak.

MrsLargeEmbodied · 25/02/2022 08:28

we are supporting Ukraine

DrBlackbird · 25/02/2022 15:22

MrsLarge if you’re saying that you are a protester in Russia then I salute your courage. It cannot be safe or easy to oppose the Russian govt.