7-yr-old killed riding quad bike ON UNLIT ROAD AFTER DARK!!!

[WendyWeber]

What were they thinking of???

QoQ, why are you on MN if not for the judging? It's the best bit

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So to discuss how you feel about items such as this, by adding your opinion isn't allowed on here then. That's a bit futile. I love hearing other peoples opinions. Quite often someone comes up with an angle that I hadn't thought of which to an extent is re-educating me.

And your mate is making me laugh lol.

Truly hate seeing a pack form ... don't force the flounce ... puhlease

Is judging wrong then?

I kind of thought judging on mn is mostly where you decide if some way of doing something is a way you would choose to do it, or if you'd do something else, and as all of us are having to make these decisions a thousand times a day, we're constantly having to judge ourselves and it's reassuring and comforting to know that your judgements are sound and you're not a crazy lunatic who frequently endangers the lives of your children.

So, therefore, judging is not saying you're perfect, it's just working out how to do this often baffling parenting thing.

And saying that this was a crap decision isn't really off the mark, as this decision was illegal and plainly silly too.

no I don't feel uncomfortable about letting them on Quad bikes in the slightest - they loved every second of it (and so did I bar the sore hands and bum afterwards).

I just getting fucking fed up with the attitude round here where it seems to be "lets fill active convo's with threads where people can judge other people" rather than the fun, banter, supportive (and lets not forget the pointless ones too) threads which make it an altogether nicer place to be.

I have NO topics hidden, yet almost every thread I'd clikced on this evening has been judging - I'm all for debate. But I hate this fucking attitude problem that people seem to have.

Because I disagree with some of your sentiments (of course you've all decided to ignore the bits where I do agree with you....) you accuse me of wanting to start an argument?? WFT is that all about? Are people not allowed to express their own opinion if it doesn't fit in with the high ranking/long standing members clique ideals???

I am not hunting in a pack, I thought icod & Icequeen were having a laugh!

And no you shouldn't go at all Icequeen. I wouldn't be forced out of a conversation because someone didn't agree with me

ll - "TheIceQueen, you are full of shit" = pot and kettle.

and sorry to disappoint you all - but there'll be no flouncing from me. I may disappear for a few minutes to wash the dishes and eat my dinner - but I'm definitely not flouncing, I believe there are still some "nice" threads (or at least threads which are started as nice ones out there somewhere.....)

I don't know about all that judging but I HAVE said that I didn't think you were at all mad to let your children go on those bikes in sunlight in the desert.

Poor little girl

What a terrible tragedy for all concerned.

yes the "clique" bollocks - if that's what you want to call it.......but hey - I guess having been here for just over 3yrs (for far too many hours most days) means that I know f*ck all about it and simply don't see it......

actually - little - you've missed the point again - I've NEVER defended their decision - show me where I have. I'm talking about the JUDGING that is going on......and if you re Wisterias 20.09 post - it pretty much sums up what I've been trying to say - but you've been too fucking up your own arse to read.....

actually Wifi - we were nowhere near a desert.......

I do think that we, as members of society, can say "that was a criminally stupid thing to do, to allow a small child to be in charge of a powerful motor vehicle on a public road in the dark" without there being any inference of "I'm a perfect parent".

We all of us make parenting mistakes but for the vast majority of us those mistakes are rarely lethal. If the parents had left the child at home alone and she had died in a fire, they would undoubtedly have been found guilty of negligence. This is a similar level of negligence, if not greater because the potential risks were far higher.

I feel most sorry for the child's poor brother who witnessed the death of his little sister and will have to live with the guilt of his parents. And, if there were no drugs or drinks involved on her part, for the driver of the car.

I expect the sun was shining and you could see and all that though

and I expect the lights on the Quad bike offered some sort of vision (although obviously nothing near to if it had been daylight) ......although people seemed to have picked up on the "unlit road after dark" and equated it to the Quad bikes being totally masked by the darkness........well what a surprise........

Actually, it's real heartbreaking news

Poor little girl doesnt need this vicious fighting marring her memory.

Oh goodness, Boco spot on again. We all judge. Judge is not an intrinsically pejorative word. It's about having a yardstick and assessing what you do in relation to what others do.
Often I judge that others do things much better than me. Sometimes people do things that I would never do. It's like having sonar and sending out parenting signals and listening to what the return signal sounds like.
As an analogy, in the list of 4 instances of criminal culpability that cod posted, number 2 I think relates to someone doing something that they are aware that most other people would not do, and yet they do it regardless, and that is seen as an example of criminal culpability.
In this instance, on the basis of the info, I do judge very much that allowing a 7 year old on a quadbike in the dark on a public highway is not only illegal but an example of really really poor judgement.
I feel massive sympathy for the parents, but am simultaneously angry that they permitted this.

ermm my son wasn't using it - he was a passenger - I doubt he would have had the strength to hold the lever down to make it move!

And you see "now" my post - in other words you'd just been looking for the bits you could argue against.......

oh and trust me - I can think - I can think what a bunch of tossers there seem to be posting on MN tonight...

Re: the lights. No, I was aware that the bikes had lights. But I still think that it being dark, it's hard enough as an adult with driving experience to drive along an unlit country lane in a car, with your headlights on.

It really is madness as well that these bikes are given away FREE with some mobile network monthly agreements.
These bikes are dangerous..period.
AB