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Is GB News the beginnings of a new political movement?

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Dancerinthedark01 · 23/10/2021 23:17

I don't really know what GB News is.

I take glances at the clips that appear on Twitter every now and again. The thing I find curious is that people rubbish it on here. But Neil Oliver is one of the main presenters isn't he?

I really like him. He's seemed, in the past, when I've watched his history programmes to be a very astute character.

I'm wondering ... GB News ... could it be the beginnings of an outspoken outlet that we need ... and the beginnings of a new political party perhaps?

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CommonRoom · 24/10/2021 18:39

It's not a change in direction! It's the old, bigoted, right wing nonsense on a new channel

Exactly this.

I have watched it. It's an extremely conservative (with a small c), tunnel visioned, small minded channel. How on earth anybody could think it is fresh or alternative is beyond belief.

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Dancerinthedark01 · 24/10/2021 18:43

Most of the swing voters at the last election were/ are anti government, but voted for 'Boris' because he's apparently a man of the people and levelling up and stuff.

So GB news might not be a bad thing. If it swings voters away next time, from Boris.

Where would they be swung to though through watching GB news, which I assume has an agenda?

I wonder who Neil Oliver would like in government.

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bunnybuggs · 24/10/2021 18:45
He is right. Angry Listen and learn
Amortentia · 24/10/2021 19:53

@bunnybuggs

He is right. Angry Listen and learn
He's really not. I laughed a lot at his faux outrage at the government using behaviour science or as its now called nudge.' How do you think every non-authoritarian governments encourage populations to adhere to public health campaigns? So much of what he said was overdramatic twaddle. I think lots of people genuinely believe he's an academic and knows what he's talking about, but he's really not.
longwayoff · 24/10/2021 20:10

Oh for crying out loud. A bloke off the telly box is not necessarily a suitable politician to run the country. Ken Barlow for PM. Jim Davidson for Home Secretary. Christ on a bike.

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/10/2021 20:10

@Dancerinthedark01

I don’t think vaccine passports are left or right. I don’t think any of what he’s saying here is, is it?
You linked the Vaccine Passport article @Dancerinthedark01 and asked if it was "left or right wing?"Confused
Changechangychange · 24/10/2021 20:33

@Dancerinthedark01

Most of the swing voters at the last election were/ are anti government, but voted for 'Boris' because he's apparently a man of the people and levelling up and stuff.

So GB news might not be a bad thing. If it swings voters away next time, from Boris.

Where would they be swung to though through watching GB news, which I assume has an agenda?

I wonder who Neil Oliver would like in government.

Why would a right wing news channel swing people away from the Tories? Do you think Fox News is trying to persuade Republicans to switch to the Democrats? Has the Sun encouraged people to vote Labour?
1Week · 24/10/2021 20:56

Labour has more problems than GB News, to be fair

mustlovegin · 24/10/2021 22:13

there is now an obvious gap in British politics for a low-tax, pro-free market, Green-sceptic, pro free speech, anti-woke party

It appears to be the case, yes

mustlovegin · 24/10/2021 22:24

What is needed is a statesman.

Someone who can embody wisdom, selflessness, loyalty to fellow countrymen, perseverance, commitment and resourcefulness. Someone industrious, with life experience and in-depth knowledge about a real subject like science, engineering, law, medicine. National leaders with this mindset appeared to be more prevalent a couple of hundred or even 50 years ago, I'm not sure they are rarely seen nowadays.

mustlovegin · 24/10/2021 22:29

The thing I find curious is that people rubbish it on here

A lot of MN posters seem very left wing so would not rate any news outlet that appears to be remotely forthright or willing to discuss real issues. It's all mostly hyperbole, narrative, theories and political correctness to the detriment of real solutions on most threads.

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Dancerinthedark01 · 24/10/2021 22:51

A lot of MN posters seem very left wing so would not rate any news outlet that appears to be remotely forthright or willing to discuss real issues.

Am I right wing then? Honestly I have no idea any more.

I have always voted Labour. Would vote Labour still to get the Tories out. I absolutely completely hate the Tories.

I'd rather vote Green but that might not have the same success at removing the Conservatives.

I'm not woke (what does woke even mean?) - I believe women are women and men are men. Not into the transgender obsession of the moment but also not against transgender people.

But I do want somewhere that is forthright and willing to discuss real issues. I try that myself on here and get shouted down.

This needs to happen in the media - but not only is it not happening, we're also being lied to all the time. Our media is the mouthpiece of the government.

I haven't had time to properly research and look at GB News yet. But it feels like a breath of fresh air. It feels like it's honest and real and that counts for a lot - to me at least.

Does it make me right wing that I'm drawn to that?

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mustlovegin · 25/10/2021 09:07

Does it make me right wing that I'm drawn to that?

Perhaps you are more centre-right?

But I think these labels can sometimes be a bit pointless, especially when a few hijack a political party and use it to disseminate ideas that have very little to do with what the party should represent in theory.

'Labour' should vouch for workers (whatever that means), what does that have to do with gender theory, or climate change, for instance? It's a minefield Confused

chaosmaker · 25/10/2021 09:35

Maybe, OP you should try reading Private Eye. They are not as biased and have actual ministers, experts and people that know stuff writing for them. It's like a glimpse into the dirty back room of what actually goes on in politics. Give THAT a try and see what you think then. Also if more people did vote Green then it would definitely shake up that 'establishment' parties. They aren't perfect but none of them are. Labour are going back to blairism or more right wing.

mustlovegin · 25/10/2021 09:48

The Spectator can offer an alternative view without the drama and hyperbole also

longwayoff · 25/10/2021 10:18

Yes to Private Eye. No to The Spectator, home to such as James Delingpole, Toby Young and other oddities. No bias to be found thereGrin. None whatsoever.

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Dancerinthedark01 · 25/10/2021 22:47

Yes. I thought the Spectator was biased.

What do you think of Newsnight and the Today program? Is that a good source of news? I quite like both of them.

And is The Guardian really the dregs? I’ve always read it and still do - although I take everything with an increasing pinch of salt these days.

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longwayoff · 26/10/2021 10:21

Can't comment on Newsnight or Today but, as they're both BBC, adherents of right and left will be glad to shout bias about both. Guardian annoys me increasingly as I age, much of its product appears to be more suited to a student magazine. I would say The Independent and The i are probably the least biased newspapers.

Amortentia · 26/10/2021 10:29

I think you have to accept that all sources are subjective/biased or have an editorial agenda to some degree. That's why I think it's important to read from a broad range of sources, including those you ideologically disagree with.

chaosmaker · 27/10/2021 20:14

A good way to look at if a channel, paper or other news source is biased is to trace the money/owners behind them and look at what their agenda is. Most of our press is right wing owned. Spectator is something to do with Johnson, think he used to write for it. Comedians can also be a good source of what is ridiculous in politics and the liberties taken in our names. The budget is a travesty but made to look as if it's a good idea and puts the 'workers' or just people as they are mostly known first......

mustlovegin · 27/10/2021 20:33

A good way to look at if a channel, paper or other news source is biased is to trace the money/owners behind them and look at what their agenda is

^This, e.g. who's heading Channel 4, etc

Though sources of funding are not always so transparent.

chaosmaker · 28/10/2021 10:51

True and that brings us back to Private Eye which often gets to the murky money men behind it all. I'm still in disbelief about the leave vote winning for 'bringing back control reasons when so many of our properties, utilities and even healthcare is owned by foreign companies. It is truly shocking and rarely brought to the attention on the UK public!

sst1234 · 29/10/2021 06:57

@Dancerinthedark01

Yes. I thought the Spectator was biased.

What do you think of Newsnight and the Today program? Is that a good source of news? I quite like both of them.

And is The Guardian really the dregs? I’ve always read it and still do - although I take everything with an increasing pinch of salt these days.

The guardian is shockingly bad. It’s basically a bit of a stroppy, fringe protest movement with not much news value or useful analysis. The calibre of columnists is as though they have hired a bunch of work experience kids. It will go extinct in the near future.
longwayoff · 29/10/2021 14:48

sst we are in rare agreement. The Guardian columnists are awful only saved by Jay Rayner, a god who walks among us. Oh, and John Crace who won't be to your taste, but he can write.

mustlovegin · 29/10/2021 20:39

It will go extinct in the near future

We can live in hope

Grin