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Woman to have baby taken away at birth...

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SharpMolarBear · 18/10/2007 17:03

because she is likely to suffer from Munschausen's syndrome by proxy

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FluffyMummy123 · 21/10/2007 23:11

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Elizabetth · 21/10/2007 23:39

Here's a good article on hostile adoptions and secrecy in the family courts, relying as it does on actual facts rather than smear, innuendo and demands that people publish their private medical records:

link

ruty · 22/10/2007 08:16

agree LittleBella.

WideWebWitch · 22/10/2007 09:38

Good posts Elizabetth.

It is interesting that men are never diagnosed isn't it.

Why are the social workers on this thread so defensive?

franch · 23/10/2007 17:13

I'm scouring this thread but can't find details of anything we can do - can anyone point me to the relevant posts?

bossybritches · 24/10/2007 09:09

Hi Franch- sorry I'm at work so can't re-post my links of earlier but if you scroll back I put a link on for your MP's email adddress & that of John Hemming who has been very supportive of Fran's (& others) cases.

I too feel we ought to try & help in some way if only to voice our concerns. However as others have said we don't want to undermine anything Fran & her legal team have been doing. It has also been pointed out that we don't know the whole story which is true but having given it a lot of thought & read all I can on it I'm prepared,personally, to give Fran the benefit of doubt.

I keep thinking of the saying by Burke

?The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.?

bossybritches · 24/10/2007 21:19

Bump for this thread as we all seem to have defected to t'other one!

bossybritches · 29/10/2007 20:37

Maybe you could all read this website link.

interesting if upsetting reading

bossybritches · 30/10/2007 22:14

Pleeease??!!

bossybritches · 02/11/2007 15:52

Bump

edam · 02/11/2007 20:58

Thanks for the link, think I saw it on the other thread first. It's all so shocking...

FranLyon · 02/11/2007 22:24

Hello everyone,

I'm sorry I haven't been on mumsnet recently. I've seen a couple of posts asking me to post - I wasn't ignoring you I promise - I just haven't been online as much.

I haven't read through all the posts - but I've read a fair bit and I just wanted to try and answer some of the questions I've seen. Shout if I've missed some - I've no interest in hiding anything.

Why did SS get involved with me?

They got involved after I called the police because of an incredibly difficult incident with my ex-partner. There is no lawful reason why I can't give more details, I just won't at the moment out of respect for the other people involved. However, even social services agree that I acted protectively (of Molly) in calling the police when I did. The police, quite rightly, called social services after the incident to talk through their concerns. This resulted in everyone involved being interviewed. At this point my mental health history was fully and immediately revealed. From there, and I don't yet know how, a paediatrician became involved and raised the spectre of Munchausen's by Proxy.

What is the other side to this?

Well, obviously I can't answer that! I can say though, and it's up to you if you believe me, is that to my knowledge there are no facts in the case that aren't in the public domain. Up until this happened to me, and even now sometimes, I am sceptical of what I hear and read about the system. It seems impossible to believe that it could truly be this bad in some, hopefully rare, cases. My experience though is that once the system begins down one particular track it is very, very difficult to get them to change direction.

Why not a mother and baby unit?

I wish I knew. At the moment as far as I understand the local authority haven't been able to find one which would be able to provide appropriate supervision. They have however been furnished with the details of several units which have a great deal of experience regarding Munchausen's by Proxy (verified and simply alleged), and which can also provide 24 hour supervision.

Do I still self-harm/have mad days/wail at the moon/behave in a generally objectionable fashion?

Well, no. I haven't self harmed since I was 16. I have no current mental health diagnosis. I probably could be said to be objectionable currently at times, but in my defence I'm 31 weeks pregnant and under quite some stress. (Sorry for the "tongue in cheek", but proving that a person is sane is a nigh on impossible task...sanity or lack thereof isn't a binary issue)

All I want is what I've asked for all along - a chance to give Molly the very best start in life I can. Molly deserves to be with those who love her, the chance to form those crucial attachments during the very first days and weeks of her life, and to be cared for physically by being breastfed. These are not my rights, they are Molly's. I truly believe that Molly's rights can be preserved, whilst also ensuring her most sacred right to be safe, if we are together in a Mother and Baby unit.

I hope this helps. Thanks for all the support.

Fran

P.S. I keep seeing references to other threads about my case. Could someone possibly point me to where they are, or post this on them for me? Thank you, and sorry if I'm being rude and/or slow!

saggarmakersbottomknocker · 02/11/2007 22:28

Here Fran.

Will read your post properly now.

edam · 02/11/2007 22:29

Hi Fran, thanks for posting. Wishing you lots of good things including that SS starts acting their age, not their shoe size. And best wishes for a healthy pregnancy and straightforward delivery - all this stress can't be doing you any good at all.

LaDiDaDi · 02/11/2007 22:33

Thank you for your post Fran.

Nightynight · 02/11/2007 23:00

good luck, fran.

BatteriesNotIncluded · 02/11/2007 23:01

Thank you Fran.

I am so ANGRY for you; is there anything we can do to make a practical difference? You are not alone and I am so sorry you have been victimised like this. This could have been any one of us and we are committed in our support to you.

BatteriesNotIncluded · 02/11/2007 23:07

Just wanted to say that it may be a little late for many mumsnetters, but I will keep checking and 'bump' for you in the morning to keep it on the active convos. I can assure that MANY MANY mumsnetters will be truly devastated to miss responding to your update earlier. x

Jackstini · 02/11/2007 23:11

Oh Fran - really feel for you. Thank you for updating us and if there is anything we can do to help you in any way then let us know. Wishing you luck x

FranLyon · 02/11/2007 23:15

Hello,

Just wanted to add this video link: www.fassit.co.uk/media/itvthismorningnov022007.wmv

It's a clip of an interview with John Hemming, Bill Bache and myself from This Morning.

Thanks again for all the support. It really does make a difference.

Fran & a very active Molly!!

LittleBella · 02/11/2007 23:16

Fran what can we do?

MrsGokWan · 02/11/2007 23:34

We are both really sorry this is happening to you (words fail us). We have mental health issues and are terrified with the way children are being treated as state property. Are there any petitions running?

My husband thinks we should start a fund to help you leave the country...

FranLyon · 03/11/2007 00:08

Hi Little Bella,

A lot of people get in touch and ask me where they can sign a petition/send letters and all that kind of thing.

If someone could set up an online petition that would be wonderful. My website is down at the moment because I can't get server space, but once it's back up then perhaps it could be linked there?

Thank you.

Fran

bossybritches · 03/11/2007 00:14

Fran just watched that interview in tears of frustration.

You looked so frightened & yet so calm when I would be ranting & being totally incoherent!!

Get some rest!Big hugs to you & Molly -keep in touch if it's not too much to ask.

let us know what else we can do.

XX

Little Bella individual letters to our MP's asking them to support John Hemming's Early Day Motion in parliament and registering your objections to this archaeic system would be good.

Ags · 03/11/2007 00:15

Fran, read this post in horror and watched your interview on this morning. I wanted to add my support. I have been growing more and more angry at these blatant injustices since reading about the Websters from Norfolk. They went to Ireland to have their 4th child and he was born in the same hospital as my ds. I truly hope that your situation will have a deserving and happy outcome. My thoughts are with you. Please post if there is anything we can do.

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