The words "pot", "kettle" and "black" spring to mind

[Freckle]

See here.

I haven't watched the programme but have read about it and it strikes me that Claire Verity's methods are substantially the same as Gina Ford's, so why is she getting so hot under the collar? Unless she's afraid that people will buy CV's books rather than her own......

ha ha ha ha

classic

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typed a couple of things, decided they could be considered true libellous so deleted them.

But oh how funny. CV will not know what's hit her if she's now in Gina's gunsights list of people she disagrees with

ha ha ha ha how brilliant

The bit I despair of is the idea of them being pitted against each other to see whose method "works". What she means is whose baby sleeps through the night first, and although I'm sure that's lovely for the parents it's not really a brilliant endpoint to decide on whether it's the right approach to child-rearing, is it? They would need to do a huge study including how long people manage to keep breastfeeding. Aarrghhh.

Oh I know Tamum, Daisy Goodwin is just seeing it as an opportunity for more publicity, it's a shame.

It is horrendous - these poor parents and babies

'Oooh! Let's make another programme showcasing more of this crap!' Daisy Goodwin is making me angry now. Grrr. Insert hugely libellous comment here

Freckle - I'm not a fan of either method but have been watching CV on telly and read GF's book. I ditched the latter pretty swiftly, but from what I remember GF didn't advocate leaving babies to cry until they were much older. The babies in 'Bringing up Baby' that were left sobbing were just days old!

Also I don't remember there being much abot only cuddling your child for 10 minutes a day - just avoiding eye contact at bedtime. The latter seems wrong to me, while CV's advocacy of witholding affection from babies is utterly barbaric.

Like I say, I'm no fan of GF (I BF my DD to sleep, often co-sleep, go straight to her when she wakes etc). But I can't help thinking aligning her with CV (whose methods are just inhumane) is a bit unfair.

Mmmm I agree wih Theoldestcat.....GF may be a fan on strict routine, but there is nothing as extreme as CVs methods in her book, insofar as I only got to 12 weeks and then ditched it as I found it too restrictive and my bub was settling into her own routine quite happily by then.

A televised competition between the two "experts" would just be too awful for words though; entertainment at the expense of a little newborn baby......just sick

I agree that it would be horrendous for them to be pitted against each other.

policy wonk
words nail and head and you have hit.. all come to mind

IMHO GF is trying to distance herself from being lobbed in the same pot as CV and the pantomime baddie that Channel 4 created out of her.

Now Channel 4 are rubbing their hands together in glee at the prospect of the two of them slugging it out.

The whole thing gets on my tits, but I still can't help myself shouting "boo" "hiss" at the tv when I see CV!

The competition would be Who can get a baby to sleep 7-7 the quickest, not who can have the most loved and happy baby, and who can most enjoy being a parent in a loving family home. It's just sick, if someones wants a whose the best competition, they should grow large vegetables or take up scrabble.

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I won't type what I am thinking.

"Goodwin said she was 'amazed' by Ford's complaint, but would welcome the opportunity to make a programme pitting the two women, neither of whom has children of her own, against each other."

pmsl!

can't beleive people pay 'up to £1000 a day' for any childcare

Agree with Tamum. Despair indeed.

only slebs compo who would pay someone to have the baby if they could and wet nurse it of course although there is a runour going round that this happens in la la land

What interested me in the article was this

"Last week, the Royal College of Paediatricians and Child Health issued a statement voicing its alarm at some methods used in the programme, including Verity's recommendation that babies sleep alone, which contradicts all the recent advice to minimise cot death."

I would quite like to see that statement.

Am hoping they would pull a lot more weight in an argument than GF.

And I agree with the oldest cat over this. Whatever you think of GFs methods, I think
aligning her with CV is too harsh.

I think CV goes way beyond the boundaries of cruelty. GF has a different approach to bringing up children and while I disagree with her is not cruel.

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GF is closer to the continium concept that CV.

She does not advocate leaving newborn babies to freeze outside in the cold or ignore newborn cries. She encourages mothers to look for other reasons why a baby might be crying rather than just sticking a bottle in its mouth to shut it up.

My goodness what is the world coming to. I am defending GF. That is really scary since my parenting style is as far from GF as possible. I admit I quite like her toddler book though.

Why not bring on the Pearl Experts on baby care from the US. They advocate smacking a six month old baby for getting in a mess when trying to self feed. It is supposed to produce God fearing children (as well as parent fearing)

Someone posted the statement on here a few days ago actually. Very interesting. I see Daisy Goodwin is in the Times today, still referring to the cot death advice very dismissively as if it's the "view" of a charity as opposed to a recommendation based on solid epidemiological evidence

Anyone else think it might be time to send Daisy Goodwin a few emails? Her website is very welcoming.

i fear i may have missed something.. who is daisy goodwin?