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David Cameron's speech - did anyone think he could just have turned the polls round?

274 replies

TheDullWitch · 03/10/2007 15:52

That striding about without notes business was quite impressive. I did get bored though.

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nimnom · 08/10/2007 18:55

PSCMUM I have to agree with catinthehat - you've given me a good laugh tonight even though I'm one of those revolting torys (lots of good chutney recipes, no WI membership but I do listen to The Archers!!!)

constancereader · 08/10/2007 18:57

I'm off to join the WI

Cammelia · 08/10/2007 18:57

Please don't go into politics PSCMUM

PSCMUM · 08/10/2007 18:58

Suey2 - I wasn't saying the oratory isa bog standard comprehensive by any stretch! I know, I went there for 6th form! I was just objecting to an earlier post which stated, with little regard for little things like facts, that all labour MPs send their kids to private school. I was just saying actually, no they don't - look at the Blairs. 4 children, No private schools, not for primary or secondary.

I completeley abhor faith schools, I think they are unprogressive, divisive, and yet another way of creaming off the middle class kids whose parents can be arsed to play the game, leaving those kids whose parents don't know there is a game / can't be arsed to play it / don't know how / don't have the money / education / language etc etc to do it...to go to the local school and struggle along there.

I wasn't defending his school choice - though I think its a damnsite better than just sending them to private school whilst telling everyone else in the country how great the state schools are.

And actually, if you can play the game, you can get into the Oratory - rich or poor. You just need to pretend to be religious, and if you don't live in Fulham, have to be willing to send your kids on an inca length trek to school every day. But money isn't a barrier to that school, which imho, makes it a serious cut above any private school, in terms of its contribution to social justice./

But really, I just love bog standard comprehensives.

PSCMUM · 08/10/2007 18:59

ACtually Cammelia that is good advice - if I went into politics, I might in some way be contrained from telling you to F**K right off! And that would be really seriously disappointing.

Cammelia · 08/10/2007 19:00

Gosh!

TinyGang · 08/10/2007 19:01

But Cammelia didn't say the Blairs sent the dc to private school. She said the bought in private education, which they did didn't they?

PSCMUM · 08/10/2007 19:04

This is what she said:

"Oh for goodness sake when will people realise that all the labour mp's send their children to private schools and they all have private health insurance and have flash cars and do everything that overpaid nobodies do whilst claiming everything on expenses

And you're all paying for all of it"

And I challenged it by saying that is not ture, some do, not all, for eg the Blairs.

PSCMUM · 08/10/2007 19:04

Gosh?????

Is that Teresa MAy?

tiredemma · 08/10/2007 19:09

I rest my case.

www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=485185&in_page_id=1770

Do we really want/need these type of people running the country?

ssd · 08/10/2007 19:12

I looked twice at "gosh" too

do people still say that

Cammelia · 08/10/2007 19:13
Hmm
Cammelia · 08/10/2007 19:15

"ACtually Cammelia that is good advice - if I went into politics, I might in some way be contrained from telling you to F**K right off! And that would be really seriously disappointing."

Prefer Gosh! myself

PSCMUM · 08/10/2007 19:15

tired - i noticed those photos earlier this week - hilarious. She's so cool and down with the kids. What a girl. Miaow.

The tories have selected Boris for London mayoral candidate - despite his well known racism and sexism. I mean come on! That speaks volumes about the party - one of their top jobs has been given to someone who thinks its ok to refer to 'picanninnies' and 'watermelon smiles' when on a trip to africa.

they are foul vile scummy scum bags. And I'll be so ashamed if just by promising some half cocked nonsense about inheritance tax they manage to win an election. We. Are. Better. Than. That.

ARen;t we?

nimnom · 08/10/2007 19:18

How could you both betray those ideals of yours by reading the Mail - even I don't do that.

Bubble99 · 08/10/2007 19:19

Diane Abbot was the biggest hypocrite re: education, IMVHO.

I remember her very vocal abuse of tories sending their kids to private schools..

State schools good enough for all children..

Except her son.

Cammelia · 08/10/2007 19:20

Quite

PSCMUM · 08/10/2007 19:24

totally agree re Diane Abot. She also screamed criticism at Tony for sending his kids to a faith school. Then went and trumped him completely by pulling oyut City of London for dear old whatever his name is.

And nimom - I didn't read the mail!!! god, please don't ever say that to me again (shivering with shock)...those pics were in the metro, which i read on the tube each morning whilst snuggled up nicely into someone with BOs armpit. So being subjected to Teresa May dancing in leapordprint, pongey armpit aroma and gropers united, it was all I could do to keep my brekkie down!

Cammelia · 08/10/2007 19:27
Hmm
Cammelia · 08/10/2007 19:28

and Gosh!

CaraLondon · 08/10/2007 19:55

"The tories have selected Boris for London mayoral candidate - despite his well known racism and sexism."

Eh? Actually the vote was by an overwhelming majority in a primary of all London voters - there was a shortlist chose by the Tories of 4 candidates and Boris was one of them, but the Tories themselves didn't choose him out of the 4 which they could have done if they really wanted. Actually, I don't think Boris is racist or sexist - he understands the difference between racism and racially based jokes, for example. He is a pillock for other reasons.

LALALAND · 08/10/2007 20:19

This is what Bors said of the Iraq qar: ?It was mesmerising, in April 2003, to stand in Baghdad and look at the contrast between the Americans and the people they had liberated. The Iraqis were skinny and dark, badly dressed and fed. The Americans rode in their Humvees (a vehicle that is eloquently bigger than our Land Rover: more slouching, bigger tyred, cooler). The marines had the shades with the slick little nick in the corner. They were taller and squarer than the indigenous people, with heavier chins and better dentition. They looked like a master race from outer space, or something from the pages of Judge Dredd?

?But as I looked at the American effort, at the vast caravanserai of victualling lorries, I felt a real sense of awe. Saddam may have turned out to be a papier mache dictator. But it was still an astonishing military achievement to remove him with so few casualties on either side; and the political achievement was still greater.? (Lend Me Your Ears p1)

A racially baed joke?

Isn't it hilarious.

CaraLondon · 08/10/2007 20:25

So, he is commentating on the fact that the American troops were well-fed, well-dressed and scary looking - which they are - and that the Iraqis were not having been under a repressive regime - surely that sort of vivid commentary is not intended as a joke and just brings to life the impact of seeing American troops in Baghdad to the reader - hardly a racially based joke - surely just descibing what he saw and how that impacted him?

bossybritches · 08/10/2007 20:44

I find it interesting that people on here can't have a discussion & disagree without resorting to insults,swearing & sweeping over-generalisations!

We've all got our own personal opinions & it's great to air opposing views but why does it ALWAYS descend to mud-slinging?

I get enough of that from the kids FGS!!!

Desiderata · 08/10/2007 20:48

I would just like to mention that Red Ken is an anti-Semite. A lot of lefties don't seem to view that as racist, but I do

And if Boris is a racist and a sexist, then so be it. I guess we all have a different sense of humour ...