Asylum seekers in small boats.

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What is so dreadful about France that somebody would put unaccompanied children in a dingy and send them to England? I just can't begin to imagine what is going on. Is it a brutal regime in other European countries?

I should add that this isn't some racist rant. I understand that England and English is a draw for many, they may have relatives here and so on.

The fact they are brown, Muslim, male and alone shouldn’t impact that

To me, it’s that they are young, male, and from cultures that don’t value women’s rights.

Bring them from refugee camps where we can properly assess cases and bring the neediest (I.e. probably not young men)

He was not a ‘migrants’. He was an unaccompanied child asylum seeker. Sudan does not issue visas to under eighteens. You cannot leave Sudan without a visa. It is not illegal to enter the UK as an asylum seeker

The young man was 22 according to his own relatives. Your compassion will literally kill people by incentivising them to make this needless journey. Australia’s hardline policy has saved thousands of lives because no one makes that risky journey over water anymore.

If the dingies were full of middle class people from Scandanavia, I assume the rhetoric would be different

The Polish would argue otherwise.

What gives you a right to a safe and better life?

Perhaps they simply want to protect their safe and better life? Taxpayer money only stretches so far, it’s better to have a plan for how many you can take, and then accept cases from refugee camps so you can assess their backgrounds and take the neediest cases.

What we don’t need is a situation like what happened in Cologne where women feel unsafe in public. I’ve experienced firsthand how men in North Africa occupy public spaces and make women feel uncomfortable.

We’re blessed that ‘unskilled migrants’ are arriving. Our farms would have rotting produce otherwise. The jobs advertised to the English unemployed weren’t exactly popular

If they are needed, why not lobby the government for agriculture visas that businesses can apply for (US has this kind of programme I believe)?

Looks like more flexibility is needed for various classes of U.K. visas once it leaves the EU.

To me, it’s that they are young, male, and from cultures that don’t value women’s rights.

Seems they'd fit right in at home in the UK then.

Maybe think of it as The Hunger Games ? The strongest get furthest while the weakest and least desirable fall at the first border

Wtf? Shouldn’t the weakest be prioritised? This is my problem with the current situation, we need to prioritise the neediest cases, not those who push ahead.

Frankly the only winners out of the current situation are the vile traffickers getting their money regardless of whether their clients live or die. We should never, ever let them profit off human trafficking.

Which is why I’m continually bringing up direct intakes from refugee camps where we can properly assess cases and take those who would be the best fit (women, families with young children, the elderly)

Seems they'd fit right in at home in the UK then

Have you ever, like, left the U.K.? Such ignorance as to what women in other countries have to deal with 🙄

I’ve been groped, spat upon, and sexually harassed for apparently not dressing modestly enough (I was dressed modestly but had no hair covering, but whatever).

This does not absolve the U.K. as it has problems for sure. But this is on a whole other level.

But you don’t seem to give a fuck about that.

Wtf? Shouldn’t the weakest be prioritised?

Survival of the fittest, though ...

We can't take in their whole country so are you suggesting, we prioritise the ones that get themselves to the UK? A choice does have to be made as we can't take everyone

So true! And by giving the ones that "make it" to our shores asylum we play an active role in people trafficking/ smuggling.

That's the hidden ugly truth.
It would be better to take people from the refugee camps. For example families, with small children that would benefit from our education system among other things.

What on earth is an economic refugee?

Somebody who fancies a few quid extra in their pay packet?

@Ylvamoon

We can't take in their whole country so are you suggesting, we prioritise the ones that get themselves to the UK? A choice does have to be made as we can't take everyone

So true! And by giving the ones that "make it" to our shores asylum we play an active role in people trafficking/ smuggling.

That's the hidden ugly truth.
It would be better to take people from the refugee camps. For example families, with small children that would benefit from our education system among other things.

Many in Sangatte are families with young children. Many women leave refugee camps because of fear of rape. What gives us the right to a better life? Immigration adds far, far more than it removes.

We take far fewer than other countries.

An economic refugee is someone who travels to another country in search of a better life. So that includes (but isn't limited to) anyone who left the UK to go to the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa.

Presumably.

An economic refugee is someone who travels to another country in search of a better life. Nope. Refugee is someone feeing for their life. You are talking about immigration.

@Itisbetter, head bang brick wall......

The Polish would argue otherwise

What on earth does that mean? The Polish government are intent on keeping Poland White and Catholic and despise those from the LGBT community?

What is the connection with the Uk and people in dingies?
I was reasonably interested in your first hand knowledge@MangoFeverDream. Now I think you are not what you seem.

What on earth does that mean? The Polish government are intent on keeping Poland White and Catholic and despise those from the LGBT community?

You implied a boat full of Scandinavians would be welcomed to the U.K. Presumably you think this because they are white and well educated?

I seem to recall that the Poles were not terribly welcome in the U.K. so I don’t think you are right to say that Scandinavians would somehow be welcomed.

The Poles were welcome for as long as they slogged for minmum wage and kept their heads down. Thankfully where I live there are wonderful and supportive community settings, where up until recently people could find a friendly face and some support.

I think it is the sheer numbers of people coming to the UK since the 90s particularly with Tony Blair's policies then it's difficult to ascertain the genuine asylum seekers and the indigenous population becomes weary of it which is fair enough imo.

woodhill There is no indigenous population. The first non white people arrived with the Romans. Few of us could claim a thoroughbred Saxon or UK Celtic heritage. Most of us are the result of immigration.

You know what I mean Cherry.😊

How about the established population instead

And there are probably people whose families have lived here since the Romans?

And there are probably people whose families have lived here since the Romans? Who will have married/mixed with people who have different backgrounds. Are the children of an immigrant, immigrants if they are also children of a local? How long do people have to live in the UK before they become local? In what way is a “local” person you don’t know more worthy than an immigrant?

The problem is the numbers and over a short period - 16m more people plus another 1m illegal non registered people - here since I was born is a fair bit and that is not all due to those here when I was born having lots of children although some will be due to that.

I think we can all unite on one issue - cross the channel illegally is dangerous and you might die so everyone on this thread would like people not to be risking their lives in that very difficult crossing (5000 managed it safely this year or we rescued them but there were still people who died). If we can stop that crossing and stop money going into the hands of traffickers who often con people into thinking they will get a different service to the UK that would be good.

Where is your 5, 000 from Xenia. ONS gave less than 2000 in 2019. Hardly swarming masses.

I think we can all unite on one issue - cross the channel illegally is dangerous and you might die so everyone on this thread would like people not to be risking their lives in that very difficult crossing (5000 managed it safely this year or we rescued them but there were still people who died). If we can stop that crossing and stop money going into the hands of traffickers

Yes, this should be the most basic consideration.

@Xenia, you seem somewhat obsessed with these figures. What do you think is going to happen? That somehow Wales, Scotland, North Yorkshire and so on will become overrun and we will be standing on peoples heads?

Btw Cherry according to the Guardian 4000 people have arrived illegally since August.

Also in the past people could be absorbed but now there are too many arrivals in a short space of time.

I disagree to some extent about an immigrant having as much right to be here. Many generations living here have contributed financially to this country through taxation and NI for things such as healthcare and services.