Grave Robbing because of Farmed Guinea Pigs!!!

[Twinkie]

Anyone else read about this - god what is the world coming to - this does them no good - actually makes me want to go out and round up a few foxes and have them ripped to shreds and then gas a few of the little rodents - these people are sick and vile and I hope that they get caught and get the life term in prison that desecration is given!!

twinkie - sorry but I'm going to have to agree again - don't get me started - we've had a lot of problems oop north recently to call these people 'animals' is to insult animals! iykwim

I heard a report about the family on You and Yours a few months back - no matter what their business is, they don't deserve to live in this kind of hell.

Twinkie, I think we have already shared views on this kind of stuff

It's sick, they need to throw the key away on the 'Things' that have done this

agree with everyone times ten.

Message withdrawn

Well said Socci.

I had to reply to this, after the fox hunting thread. I find it absolutely horrifying that anyone could do this. It has to be said, as yet (afaik) it's not been proved that it was anything to do with animal rights, although I admit, the evidence is that it probably was.

It has been condemned by the groups related to it, and like I said on the fox hunting thread, there will always, in any group of people, be those who go further than the others.

I know for a fact, that this is not representative of animal rights activists.

its becoming more the norm imho

But surely there's a difference between pouring paint stripper on cars and grave robbing???

and phoning people in the middle of the night - writing to their children and telling lies about their parents - writing to their neighbours telling lies about their activities - frightening people - wives having to go on tranquilisers - children afraid something is going to happen to their daddy - next step grave robbing - intimidation is not the way.

I have never beleived in the intimidation thing, personally, well, not to the extent that it goes to these days. Although it is born out of frustration, which I can understand.

I have done home visits and I have done the phoning, but I would never harm or upset children. But people have different boundaries and there are always going to be the rogues.

I teach a unit of work to Year 7 based around animal experiments. (The novel we read has a protagonist whose dad works in a lab).
I always nail my own colours fairly firmly to the mast when teaching this one - I'm a fully-paid up BUAV type, & I reckon the kids are entitled to know that miss feels strongly about the issue AND that it's more than OK to disagree with me! I use recent media coverage of the issue of animal experiments & it's interesting that in the 4 years that I've been teaching this unit, the attitudes of these 11-12 year olds have become more PRO animal experiments (4 years ago it was all 'poor little rabbits, how could anyone do that?').

& that is ENTIRELY because of extremists doing horrible & mindless stuff like this!

So I can agree that this sort of behaviour is not typical of people who feel strongly about animal rights...it's stupid, it's counter-productive & it makes any subsequent high-handed stance over poor mistreated guinea pigs fairly morally bankrupt. Idiots. & why aren't they out giving battery chicken farmers a hard time instead?

But they are Carrie. The Alf regularly carries out actions on battery farms, it's just that the vivisection ones are more highly publicised - partly because of recent successess.

Message withdrawn

& that's because digging up someone's granny is more 'newsworthy'! Which means that a far more important issue like attacking dodgy agribusiness gets kept off the front page at best, & associated with a right bunch of nutters at worse.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see an end to animal experiments. But from a purely pragmatic point of view, this sort of nasty stunt just alienates anyone in their right mind, surely? You end up with the average member of the public thinking 'animal rights = psychotic freakazoids who go round harrassing anyone they disagree with'

I agree totally. I think it is one or two rogue activists, and I personally think they are truly sick and should be locked up.

I can understand the frustration, but to take it this far is to go beyond the boundaries of any decent person. They have done the cause a huge injustice and alienated most of the public to boot.

I hope it's no-one I know

How exactly has animal research helped you and your family?
Vaccinations for polio, diphtheria, mumps, measles, rubella, pertussis, and hepatitis.
Treatments for asthma, severe burns, juvenile diabetes, leukemia, newborn sickness and premature births.
Prevention and treatment of birth defects.
Antibiotics for a variety of bacterial infections.
Microsurgery to reattach severed limbs.
Remedies for childhood poisonings.
Management of epilepsy, cystic fibrosis.
Organ transplants.
Correction of congenital heart defects.

Without animal research:
Polio would kill or cripple thousands of unvaccinated adults and children each year.
Most of the nation?s one million insulin-dependent diabetics would be dead.
Death from heart attacks, strokes or kidney failure ? because there would be no medicine to combat high blood pressure.
Chemotherapy wouldn?t exist ? and couldn?t save 70 percent of children who now survive acute lymphocytic leukemia.
People disabled by strokes or spinal cord injuries could not benefit from rehabilitation techniques.
Hundreds of thousands would be blind in at least one eye ? there would be no surgery to correct cataracts.
Newborns who develop jaundice each year would contract cerebral palsy, now preventable through phototherapy.
There would be no kidney dialysis.
Surgery of any type would be rare ? and extremely painful ? because there would be no anesthesia.
Smallpox, which has been eradicated, would continue unchecked.
Millions of dogs, cats, other pets and farm animals would have died from anthrax, distemper, canine parvovirus, feline leukemia, rabies and more than 200 other diseases now preventable.

...& our side's just left with Thalidomide ('nuff said) & aspirin & penicillin (wouldn't be permitted if they were tested on animals now - both poisonous to cats & hamsters), as refutations to the list above!

Yes, I know exactly what you're saying JoolsToo - I'm an asthmatic on ventolin myself, & being a mum has made a COMPLETE hypocrite of me on this one, what with essential vaccinations & the fact that I'd cheerfully sacrifice every small, cute, furry creature on the planet if it'd save ds from illness.

I do feel tho', that animal experiments are unreliable, cruel & just downright wrong. What we need at the very least is stricter licensing procedures & more effort made to find alternatives. Simply because these experiments have served one dominant species well in the past is no reason to assume that justifies them in the future. The point I was trying to make is that HOWEVER one feels about this issue, harrassing someone personally because they work in the animal experiment business is inappropriate & counter-productive - taking it out on their family (dead OR alive!), more so.

Stupidgirl - it has NOT been condemned by the groups associated with it, at all. On Weds the Jeremy Vine show on R2 had a guy from the ALF (sorry, name escapes me) calling it a 'little stunt' that 'hadn't harmed anyone' and that as long is it bought the issues to the public's attention, it was fine by him. No condemnation there that I could hear.

FWIW, I don't agree with vivisection. I'm not sure anyone in their right mind really 'agrees' with it, in the sense of thinking it is a great thing per se. But this type of activity sickens me far more.

And I don't know your background and tbh I stayed away from the foxhunting thread but 'I've done home vists and I've done the phoning but I'd never harm or upset children'...you don't see any connection between the two, then?

I'll leave it there. It's too early in the morning to get this wound up...

Oh and (grrr, I said I wouldn't get involved!) on the same radio show, when a lab technician called into give her side, the ALF guy proceeded to tell her that he reckoned he knew who she was, where she worked, and where she lived. Nice guy. And this was the ALF's spokesman, ffs. Not exactly a 'rogue element'.

OK, am definitely not coming back to this thread.

Good post Jools. I wonder how many people who condemn animal experiments would turn down the fruits of this science in order to save their child. I used to belong to Animal Aid and supported anti-vivisection but now Im a mum, I appreciate the place animal experiments have in medicine.

Please could someone explain the connection between grave robbing and guinea pigs?

I know I am showing myself up but I don't understand

The body of a grandmother of a guinea pig farmer (who has been intimidated over a long period of time by animal rights activists) has been stolen from a graveyard, kangamummy. The guinea pigs are being bred for medical research.