Madeleine McCann

[morningpaper]

Instead of starting lots of new posts about Madeleine, could I politely request that anyone who wants to post on the subject please post on this one thread? (N.B. Duplicate threads may be flamed hysterically.)

Please note that this thread is not to criticise Madeleine's parents or family, as this is not in the spirit of Mumsnet.

Please can I take the liberty to quote from this article:

"This is the real life of Kate and Gerry McCann, and it must now have become a place of agony beyond all understanding. Pity them, if you have any compassion at all, and demonstrate the minimum of grace: the ability to desist from judgment."

I know not everyine thinks they are guilty, I'm just sick of all the comments and idle gossip that are on these MM threads and when anyone tries to argue against them are told 'you don;t have to read if you don;t want to' in a very childish way.

I do not think that they are guilty. Not at all.

I will admit to not having the time or energy to read all the posts so obviously wrongly assumed that it had gone the way of all the other threads - please accept my apology but I hope you understand why I ranted

ok - i said i wasnt going to do this but as usual i cant keep my mouth shut.

This BULLSHIT about the girl being sedated by her parents, just because they are doctors and would have knowledge and means. Ok, so the knowledge would be there, but as i understand things, prescription laws are tight, just because you are a doctor it doesnt mean you can lay your hands on such medicines without prescription, so how would they have got it? Self prescription? Well then there would be a record of that somewhere then wouldn't there.

What i think is a shame is that whilst the wolves are baying at the Mc Cann doors and the rest of us vultures are picking over the bones, we are losing sight of the fact there is a four year old child still missing, she might not, just might not be dead and until proved otherwise the search should continue. The police are wasting even more time now, but lets face it, their response was conveniently slow in the first instance. I daren't type my theory, for fear of libel.

i think everyone would agree with the second part of your post lucy

Wasn't being childish - this is the first thread I've been on about it because it wasn't horrible and raised some quite interesting questions about parenting in general. There is no denying some threads seem to have been inappropriate but tbh I haven't bothered reading them as the first opening statements/postings have put me off.

I wasn;t calling you childish Oct - I was referring to other MM threads where that has happened

sorry x-post - realised that!

lucyellensmum - anyone with £2-50 and access to a pharmacist can sedate their child.
Many MN-ers, apparantly do exactly that, judging by a recent thread.

But posession of a common anti-histamine is not evidence that you are carelessly or criminally sedating your child....the sedation theory is purely speculation based on (alledged) posession of a common anti-histamine, afaik.

Are you telling me I can sedate my kids??? WHY HASN'T NAYONE TOLD ME THIS BEFORE???? 6 years and no-one has mentioned it before - I knew everyone else had a secret formula and were hiding it from me. Unforgiveable.

Have I killed the thread? Gosh, never managed that before!

actually my comment about sedation was not prompted by anything I have heard or read - I have honestly steared well clear of the whole thing. All I know is the police think they have some sort of DNA evidence connecting the parents to it.

I merely considered that being doctors they might be tempted to feel it was safe to sedate the kids while they went for a meal. To be honest it is a logical thing to consider in that situation. And it is the only scenario I can imagine where it might lead to accidental death.

I think it is wrong the way the media are trying to squeeze out the evidence - whatever happened - it makes it increasingly difficult to have a fair trial when so many "facts" are made public.

antihistamines could be for prickly heat, allergies etc.

Not all antihistamines have a sedative effect either. My dd has to have them for asthma during hay fever months or she gets really unwell. I give her the non-sedative one more frequently and only use piriton (which makes them drowsy) occasionally.

And anyhow if it was an accidental death due to a reaction to an antihistamine surely it would be better for them just to admit to it than invent an abduction theory?! They're intelligent people for goodness sake.

I like the "seizing Kate McCann's diary" story

"May 14:

To Do: hidE bOddY"

I mean REALLY

I'm starting to think that John Grisham is writing for Sky News

I can see a film being made - rather shocking and sad but true.

Actually I have been through quite a lot of shit in my life so I do know how I would react - a violent husband, my mother being killed in a car accident, an emotionally disturbed sister, having to hold aforementioned sisters hand whilst her child was terminated in her womb, her numerous suicide bids and having to go through a protracted custody battle and divorce with arsehole of a husband as well as seeing a fatal car accident that killed a friend and a young child - I know I would fall apart.

Please do not tell me how I would act.

Blu, you do make a good point about the medised ( i presume that is what you are talking about) or piriton for that matter, BUT i would imagine to accidentally kill a child with an overdose of this would take quite a large OD and i would have thought, as doctors, the parents MAY have a little more sense. Also, it is not injectable. I would have also thought it would not sedate enough to be able to leave the child unattended if that was your purpose. I have given my child medised, she is only two, she has had it often for colds, but it never seems to sedate her at all.

WRT sedation I totally second what Lucyellensmum said. If it was via Phenergen or Medised or something then they would have had to make her drink a whole bottle (and some) of the stuff for it to wipe her out. Now my DDs love calpol and other kids medicines but I'd have one hell of an effort to get them to drink a whole bottle.

Also surely if there had been an accidental overdose (I can't believe for a moment that they'd purposefully do it or even that if they did choose to bump her off they'd do it in these circumstances) wouldn't they have sought immediate medical help even if she did appear to have died. Isn't that what you'd do the moment you realised your child was unrespnsive to stimuli, regardless of the level of your medical knowledge?

Dear Diary, today I've been hounded by PA over what I had for breakfast so I told them mushroom biriani.

I then met with Insp Clouseau da Luz from the Portuguese police force who informed me that are drip-feeding irrelevant and incriminating nuggets to the press about me and my family. Some members of a website called mumsnet seem to have an appetite for such twaddle.

Must remember to put on another face during interviews as my real one makes the media think I'm the bad guy in all this. Perhaps I can get some tips from rory bremner over what "real" people look like when their child is missing.

kate

yes, reminds me of the Private Eye piss take of the alleged "Hitler Diaries" of a few years ago....Some right-wing politoco 'unearthed' them to prove his relative innocence...

"Tuesday 23rd April 1933.

Rained all day. In the evening burned the Reichtag."

But the diary thing here is just speculation. Again.

wtf?

no one is telling you how you would act, so you must therefore not impose your reactions on others and imply that if they do not react in the same way then they must be suspetc.

I am sorry for your troubles, but no-one can say how another person will react. I was merely pointing out that whilst you do fall apart, there are times when you can hold it together long enough to get done what absolutely has to.

I do not think questioning the Mc Canns reaction is useful in anyway and would respectfully ask ONCE AGAIN for this sort of sort of speculation to be replaced with a objective discussion of facts. Oh but hang on, we don't have many of those do we, in fact, jeremy vine said whilst talking to a correspondant that most of the news that has been presented recently is supposition based on recent events and we do not have many if any fact based arguments to make.

I gave my ds1 a medised overdose once by accident (not huge one LOL) but when rang NHS they asked his weight etc and said he would be fine. That would be the normal thing to do and if I was a doctor, I would know these things anyway.

Just a small aside - if MM had died from an overdose of sedative - wouldn't her parents have only noticed the following morning? Surely they didn't sedate her and then go in every half an hour and shake her to make sure she hadn't died!