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Madeleine McCann

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morningpaper · 11/09/2007 20:49

Instead of starting lots of new posts about Madeleine, could I politely request that anyone who wants to post on the subject please post on this one thread? (N.B. Duplicate threads may be flamed hysterically.)

Please note that this thread is not to criticise Madeleine's parents or family, as this is not in the spirit of Mumsnet.

Please can I take the liberty to quote from this article:

"This is the real life of Kate and Gerry McCann, and it must now have become a place of agony beyond all understanding. Pity them, if you have any compassion at all, and demonstrate the minimum of grace: the ability to desist from judgment."

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2shoes · 29/09/2007 11:25

thing that gets me is a young lad was shot dead whilst playing. where are the threads trying to solve that?

SueW · 29/09/2007 11:55

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wannaBe · 29/09/2007 12:14

I think that one of the main reasons why this case has continued to be discussed is because of the unusual nature of it.

When the story first broke, apart from the that a young child had disappeared from a holiday apartment, there was also the disbelief that it is apparently fairly common for parents to leave small children unsupervised in certain holiday resorts while they go to dinner. Whether people discussed it or not, I think that most parents have been horrified that such small children were left alone, as generally, leaving such small children is not considered to be the done thing.

Once the discussions of the rights/wrongs of leaving small children had died down, people were then faced with the possibility that this child had been abducted by paedophiles. Not just randomly abducted, but that she had been earmarked for abduction some time before, perhaps even in the UK, and that she had been snatched during a carefully planned operation. As parents we all know that paedophiles exist, we have either, or will at some point, talk to our children about strangers, teach them to have common sense and to be careful etc, but the thought of these paedophile rings is alien to most of us. I think to some it has caused increased fear that if someone could have targeted this one child like this who knows who is watching their children and planning when to abduct them, and to the rest there is an increased disbelief that these rings actually would go to such lengths when there are far easier ways to abduct a child, ie off the beach/or a homeless child off the street.

And then there has been the Mccanns? desire to keep this case in the media. But we?ve not actually been hearing about the search for Madeleine, we?ve been hearing about the Mccanns? visit to this church, and that shrine, their trip to the Vatican etc. It?s only really since the couple have been named as suspects that the spotlight has really fallen back on what might have happened to Madeleine. And at this point the opinion has been hugely divided between those that think it is totally inappropriate to have the opinion that the parents might have been involved in any way, those that sympathised with the parents at first and now feel that they have been tricked into believing they were innocent, and those that thought all along that the parents were in some way involved.

I think if Madeleine Mccann had ddisappeared off a beach there wouldn?t have been nearly this much media coverage, even with the parents? involvement, because she wouldn?t have been the first child to have disappeared off a beach, but she?s probably one of the first to disappear from a holiday apartment while no-one was looking after her.

And by exposing themselves to the media, Gerry and Kate Mccann have unfortunately brought the bad publicity on themselves as well as the good. Not their faults necessarily, however, as they?ve had a PR consultant he/she would have been aware of that and should have advised the family better.

While this case is in the media, people will continue to discuss it, if the media stopped reporting tomorrow people will have moved on by next week.

I can?t explain why people are googling for information and emailing the police with random photo?s though as I personally find that odd as well.

As for Rees Jones, while his death was a horrific tradgedy and should never have happened, imo people don?t seem as drawn to that because it?s been fairly widely reported that he was probably in the way of what should have been a gang shooting. Sadly, he was a victim of our increasingly violent society. Maybe rather than annallising that, we should be asking why society has sunk to this level though.

Howdydoody · 29/09/2007 14:24

As far as I know 2shoes people know who shot that boy. Same name given to police many times. No one knows who is guilty with regard to Madelaine

HorribleHorace · 30/09/2007 20:37

i read yesterday that a witness had seen a man hanging around directly outside the McCanns apartment (in the stairwell) on the evening of May 3rd.

He was British, stocky and wearing glasses she has apparently picked him out from photographs shown to her - which suggests he's someone who is already a suspect/known to police doesn't it?

WendyWeber · 02/10/2007 18:54

BREAKING NEWS

That unpleasant moustached bully has been taken off the case.

NAB3 · 02/10/2007 18:57

Crazy idea.

MM may be in Morrocco? We can't all just go and look for her but shut down the country. Make everyone stay at home and search every house.

Told you it was a crazy idea but just feel so helpless. Feels like nothing is being done to find her.

edam · 02/10/2007 22:28

I'm glad the officer in charge has been removed. Someone who is being investigated for beating the mother of a missing child should never have been at work, let alone leading an inquiry into the disappearance of another child.

LostPuppy · 17/10/2007 12:04

Kate Mccann claims the public would have more sympathy for her if she had bigger breasts. No Kate, the public would have more sympathy for you if you hadn't abandoned your children so you could go to a pub quiz!

Full article here

ELF1981 · 17/10/2007 12:44

cant open the link, the only thing I have seen recently is the Sun claiming that there is more "proof" a body was moved in the car, and on Yahoo front page being that the parents have accepted that she may be dead.

LostPuppy · 17/10/2007 13:03

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2007/10/16/kate-mccann-if-i-weighed-another -two-stone-had-a-bigger-bosom-and-looked-more-maternal-people-would-be-more-sympathetic-100252-19959 495/

minorityrules · 17/10/2007 13:12

www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2671041.ece

NAB3 · 17/10/2007 13:19

I agree, Lost Puppy. Maybe this is how they cope with this situation, and we can't really judge them for that, but I think the public would have kept more support if they hadn't kept saying they had done anything wrong, that leaving the children in an unloocked room that they couldn't see, was within the realms of good parenting, etc etc.

michellemcmanus · 17/10/2007 13:24

ah how good to put the boot in again

that really helps.

donnie · 17/10/2007 14:43

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ELF1981 · 17/10/2007 17:12

Actually I think it is an interesting point and I do not see the harm discussing Mrs McCann's comments (albiet reported through her mother). There were some very interesting comments raised by readers of one papers about how perhaps her appearance does affect the way some people view the situation.

Just to reitterate, for the posters who tar me a general vulture brush, I STILL hope Madeleine is found safe and well, but still think you cannot expect posters not to post because the spokespeople for the McCanns are still releasing regular press releases, and if you dont like it DONT OPEN THE THREAD!

Tortington · 17/10/2007 17:16

im with the free speech thing - seeing as its a right in this country.

so madeleine mcann threads - shouldnt be censored

neither should people speaking against them.

ELF1981 · 17/10/2007 17:20

But there is a difference between posters "discussing" and those who come onto the thread to specifically call other posters freaks and vultures. IMVHO

Tortington · 17/10/2007 17:24

agreed. i think you should report them

Bundle · 17/10/2007 17:25

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ELF1981 · 17/10/2007 17:26

I still hope that people listen to my pleading 'cause reporting sounds so serious!

PirateoftheScarybeing · 26/10/2007 14:36

Just thought I would bump this up, in light of the 'picture' circulating today.

its a bit bloody late isn't it. Those parents must feel so bloody helpless if they havent been able to release something like this previously.

mumofteens · 28/10/2007 17:26

I've said it before and I'm saying it again. In holiday resorts such as Mark Warner it is common practice for babysitter to "patrol" the corridors while parents eat at the resort restaurants, leaving their children asleep in their rooms upstairs or nearby. Thousands of families have done this and for all I know continue to do it.

The babysitter/s walk along the corridors and only go into the room if they hear crying. They cannot possibly be outside every door of every room every minute. The corridors are long, there are lots of floors. I think that they are in theory supposed to walk past the room every 15 minutes. Human nature being what it is, with disruptions, mobile phone calls, crying babies etc, it is quite likely that it could be much longer periods of time.

This is no different to what the McCanns did. So those "holier than thou" parents who criticise the McCanns for neglgect must also be accusing the hundreds of thousands of families who have used baby-listening and baby-patrolling services in resorts of neglectful behaviour. The holiday companies would also be guilty of neglect. Perhaps the "perfect parent" brigade would like to contact social services and ensure that all of the parents who have ever used such services be brought to court and charged with neglect so their children can end up in the hands of our "care" system where they probably will end up being abused.

People talk such judgemental rubbish and meanwhile the real criminals who carried out an audacious and carefully orchestrated abduction are still out there somewhere.

dolalloween · 28/10/2007 19:56

mumofteens, well done,

  • it's so good to read a bit of sense for a change.
SueW · 28/10/2007 20:06

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