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Madeleine McCann

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morningpaper · 11/09/2007 20:49

Instead of starting lots of new posts about Madeleine, could I politely request that anyone who wants to post on the subject please post on this one thread? (N.B. Duplicate threads may be flamed hysterically.)

Please note that this thread is not to criticise Madeleine's parents or family, as this is not in the spirit of Mumsnet.

Please can I take the liberty to quote from this article:

"This is the real life of Kate and Gerry McCann, and it must now have become a place of agony beyond all understanding. Pity them, if you have any compassion at all, and demonstrate the minimum of grace: the ability to desist from judgment."

OP posts:
haychee · 12/09/2007 22:11

Ive missed whoever dunga is too! God its all moving too quick. If i go back and recheck, ill have missed another 10 posts and so it goes on.

WideWebWitch · 12/09/2007 22:12

fucking hell "by just looking into those parents eyes" wtfkingf? Are we back in the middle ages and I hadn't noticed? Should we try putting them in a pond to see if they drown?

I now think you are either a schoolboy or a journalist, either way, I can't quite believe you're for real (to use a teenaged exprssion).

And with that, I'm off this thread too.

Desiderata · 12/09/2007 22:12

I read the post, WWW. That's why I made a response.

It would be unusual to reply to a post that you actually haven't read, no? It would suggest preternatural powers.

haychee · 12/09/2007 22:13

quint
But i think they are innocent! What are you saying? Im not witch hunting at all. No malicious posts from me that speculates their possible guilt

BeetrootBevan · 12/09/2007 22:14

so is that fact that ss are thinking of taking the other kids away?

link please to THE FACTS

persephonesnape · 12/09/2007 22:14

one of the things i particularly dislike about these threads is the name calling at haychee and new people who may express views that aren't 'acceptable'.

if you believe strongly in your own point of view, I'm pretty sure you can do it without name calling.

WideWebWitch · 12/09/2007 22:15

I haven't done any name calling afair

haychee · 12/09/2007 22:15

god theyve got me so wrong.

ElesJoinsTheRevolution · 12/09/2007 22:15

hahaha i had visions of little britain then haychee

look into my eyes, not around the eyes...

NadineBaggott · 12/09/2007 22:16

www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,2082438,00.html

apologies if its already been posted - I try to steer clear of these threads

quadrophenia · 12/09/2007 22:17

lololol at Nadinebaggott

haychee · 12/09/2007 22:17

Wh is it soooo unacceptable to think they are innocent?

MrsMarvel · 12/09/2007 22:17

Just thought I'd recite your song elesjoinsthe rev:

Come gather mumsnetters
Wherever you roam
And admit way things are
going's all wrong
don't accept what's been happ'nin'
arise and revolt
it's your site you'll be a savin
Then you better start thinkin'
Or we'll sink like a stone
For the site it is a-changin'.

Come writers and pedants
Who prophesize with your pen
for the fraeks and weirdos
are at it again
there's biggots and loonies
And there's no tellin' who
the muck rakers and ghouls
they are blamin'.
For the sake of our Mumsnet
we'll fight and we'll win
For the site it is a-changin'.

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is
Rapidly agin'.
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the site it is a-changin'.

Already reposted it on the other thread - clever lady!

haychee · 12/09/2007 22:18

It also appears it is unacceptable to think they are guilty! Why is this?

Pedanticandproud · 12/09/2007 22:21

The problem with giving in to old-timers power is that power corrupts very rapidly. So the agreement to have one McCann thread that would not be bumped to oblivion seems to have been forgotten. Or was it ever intended to be honoured, I wonder?

haychee · 12/09/2007 22:23

I wonder if they just come to wind us up. For the fight

prettybird · 12/09/2007 22:25

WWW - you're right, I wasn't making any comment about such circumstances.

But I'll come clean for Desiderata: I have left ds, age 2, in a room in a foreign country, with a swimming pool between us and the hotel block. The room was locked though, and ds at that time didn't climb out of his travel cot (constrained by the sleeping bag - it was anthoer 6 months before he learnt to do so, at which point we moved him into a bed). We also made regular checks - can't remember now if it was as often as half an hour, but probably about that. But that was our son, with our assessment of the percevied risks of the particular layout of the hotel. I can't comment about other circumstances.

ElesJoinsTheRevolution · 12/09/2007 22:26

you see mrsmarvel. i did not compose that verse twas another mnetter

but then again stating facts is not your strong point is it?

Pedanticandproud · 12/09/2007 22:29

Prettybird - what you did differed considerably from what the McCanns did

Firstly you locked the door - stopping intruders and also stopping a child from wandering off.

Secondly your ds at that time didn't climb out of his travel cot.

So really the only risks were from a determined abductor or fire. You adjudged they were low.

I don't agree with the suggestion that this is your business and your business alone. The problem with that is that parents can live in their own worlds and not realise what is either legal or acceptable.

FWIW what you did sounds reasonable to me.

prettybird · 12/09/2007 22:47

We never thought of intruders when we locked the door, We were also on the first or second floor, so I think if anything we would have been more concerned with theft than abduction.

In contrast, for the last 3 years, we have let ds (so he'd have been 4 the first time) go up to his room in the family run hotel in Greece, while we have our meal. He comes and goes, so the room isn't locked. In the first year he often went o to sleep at our feet, with the pillow he had brought dwon from the room and my pashmina over him.. We would then carry him up to the room - and then go back down again. And given the particular ambiance and layout of this hotel, we feel comfortable with that.

The hotel staff, who dote on ds, see nothing unusual or unacceptable in waht we do. The only people that mgiht are the Brits - but to be fair, no-one has ever commented, as we feel safe on the small island.

MrsMarvel · 12/09/2007 22:50

You're joking - who did write it then! Why didn't you say so on the post where you posted it????

quint · 12/09/2007 22:53

I must have missed the fact that the room was unlocked, honestly this is the first time I have heard that

Haychee I am so surprised to hear that you think that they are innocent - that is not the impression you give, you seem to live off the gossip and enjoy all the speculation, but I am more than happy to admit I am wrong.

I (obviously) personally feel the the McCanns are innocent but don;t have a problem with people feeling that they are guilty, what I have a problem with is all the witch hunting and gossip and how people have always known that they are guilty.

The ideas that are being bandied around at the moment do not make any sense to me what so ever and seem to be based on no evidence.

I am upset that people feel the need to harp on about the fact that the children were left alone - its been done already, we know, they know, the whole bloody world knows, if these are the only facts you have then leave it alone.

ElesJoinsTheRevolution · 12/09/2007 22:53

JoanBaezifrau on Tue 11-Sep-07 21:47:30

MrsMarvel · 12/09/2007 23:02

But what a great song. I don't agree with the lyrical content whatsoever, me being on the no censorship side of the debate, but it's really darn good.

So thanks Janbaezfrau and next time, eles, do quote her name by the song please!

MrsMarvel · 12/09/2007 23:02

Christ I can't even get her name write!!!

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