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Madeleine McCann

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morningpaper · 11/09/2007 20:49

Instead of starting lots of new posts about Madeleine, could I politely request that anyone who wants to post on the subject please post on this one thread? (N.B. Duplicate threads may be flamed hysterically.)

Please note that this thread is not to criticise Madeleine's parents or family, as this is not in the spirit of Mumsnet.

Please can I take the liberty to quote from this article:

"This is the real life of Kate and Gerry McCann, and it must now have become a place of agony beyond all understanding. Pity them, if you have any compassion at all, and demonstrate the minimum of grace: the ability to desist from judgment."

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haychee · 12/09/2007 21:59

It was a genuine question, didnt mean to annoy anybody with it. Why is it childish? Iwas asked why do want to come on this thread. I answered, and i asked the same question back. Whats the problem with that?

Moomin · 12/09/2007 21:59

Hello dunga. You seem like just the poster we need on MN at the moment. Welcome welcome welcome

WideWebWitch · 12/09/2007 22:00

lololol OO

quint · 12/09/2007 22:00

If my daugher went missing I wouls also court publicity.

Who knows, if the same kind of media was around in the days that Ben Needham went missing, maybe his parent would have found out what hapended to their little boy, however it wasn;t and they still don;t know/

prettybird · 12/09/2007 22:00

Pedenticandproud - I would have more respect for some of the posters if they had just been debating the parenting issues of when and where and how you should leave children unattended. This has been debated in the past on Mumsnet - and admittedly even then would get quite heated.

However, quite a few of the posters have not been debating about that but have been adding the latest salacious rumours. I don't even want to repeat them, as that adds credence to them with the ever increasing Chinese whispers, with ever iteration making the rumours more "fact".

FWIW (this is for Imadeawish) I owuld and have done similar, and would do so again. But it is up to you to judge the risk and not let the current over heated climate warp your own instincts.

Our parents did it, and I personally don't consider that the risk has increased sunstantially in 40 years. Yes, if something goes wrong, hindsight is a wonderful thing - but we need to get on with our lives as best we can. Who's to say, if an accident happens, it wouldn't have happened anyway. The light switch in the hotel culd electrocute you, you could fall down the stairs yourself in your own house, you could...... You can't live life with "what ifs".

BTW - I don't kow where that "The true sitation" came from at the end of my last post.

DarrellRivers · 12/09/2007 22:02

And on the question of working class v middle class
working class parents who seem to react with grief get v well treated by the masses
the main thing seems to be is not to think above your station
then you'll be ok
FGS, that chav grandmother with the pitbull owning son, that managed to smoke 10 joints and drink a bottle of wine, whilst in care of her granddaughter was not help responsible for the death of her granddaughter.
if she had been middle class she would have beeen ripped to pieces and sent down

quint · 12/09/2007 22:02

haychee I amswered your question if you'd care to read it

haychee · 12/09/2007 22:02

Blu
Mum and dh put it down to intuition! I was a little astounded at my mums definite decsion.It was final! But my intuition tells me they are not guilty.
It isnt moral or right to make these conclusions based on intuition and no solid fact either way imo.

WideWebWitch · 12/09/2007 22:02

Someone I like and respect at work said today "yeah, they did it". She doesn't have children. She has NO KNOWLEDGE of the facts BUT she does read the tabloid press.

She cannot know what happened, neither can the press. And it surprised me very much that this woman I'd hithertoo respected, had made a judgement with with I diagreed.

But there you go, people do believe what they read.

Blu · 12/09/2007 22:02

Dunga - why stay so long in Portugal? Well the weather was awful here, and with their hol ruined they probably wanted to enjoy themselves a bit. That or skiving of work.

HorribleHorace · 12/09/2007 22:03

dunga - you sound very pleasant

BeetrootBevan · 12/09/2007 22:04

intuition - fabulous - let's hope that is what the police use - they will be able to sort this mess out finally

Bubble99 · 12/09/2007 22:04

IIRC, Sally Clark was found guilty by the media too.

BeetrootBevan · 12/09/2007 22:04

are Dunga and Haychee friends?

Desiderata · 12/09/2007 22:04

prettybird ... are you saying that you would leave three children under the age of four, alone, unattended, with the doors open, before a road, and a swimming pool, whilst you went out for a meal?

Note that I'm not mentioning the MM case. Note I'm querying your fucking sanity.

WideWebWitch · 12/09/2007 22:04

Ahhh, intuition, that well known cornerstone of British justice

haychee · 12/09/2007 22:05

quint
i cant see it, where is it? Its a bit busy at the moment, cant keep up. I would care to read it.

quint · 12/09/2007 22:05

or are they the same person?

WideWebWitch · 12/09/2007 22:05

Desi, she's not saying that afaics
so er, read her post maybe?

quint · 12/09/2007 22:06

yes we know busy reading the red tops

Blu · 12/09/2007 22:06

No! Haychees response to my question was perfectly reasonable.

But Dunga might be Haychee's mum, acting in intuition

Haychee - that really wa a joke - i'm not being chippy.

Pedanticandproud · 12/09/2007 22:07

Oh FGS. To kill your child you would have to be seriously disturbed.

I might think they've been a bit irresponsible for leaving their children home alone and also a bit arrogant for not admitting an error but I seriously cannot imagine that they have been responsible for killing their daughter.

And their nightmare goes on. Imagine this - you lose your child and then you get accused of hurting her. Look at the Sally Clarke case. That poor woman died as a result of incarceration because of that revolting professor and his damnable and mistaken statistics. The dingo case is another example. Social Services are even thinking of taking away their other children. It's a nightmare.

Blu · 12/09/2007 22:09

..er ARE ss thinking of taking their other children away??

I thought it was a routine intervention.

Anyway - off to eat etc.

haychee · 12/09/2007 22:09

WWW
Intuition is no way to solve a crime. i totally agree.
What i mean is, i think no way could they of done that, others think they did, how do we come to those decsions? By simple intuition, yes by reading and watching the media and by just looking into those parents eyes. I see innocence others see guilt.

quint · 12/09/2007 22:09

Haychee read my post of 21:54:33 if you can be bothered.

And before you say it, no one is trying to bully you off the thread, just stop the idle gossip and speculation that all the witch hunters seem to be enjoying.

Right I am off to try and enjoy whats left of the rest of this evening. Can someone else please try and reason with these people

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