Kate McCann offered a 'deal' if she confesses to killing madeleine

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okay virgo i respect your opinion, but they did neglect those children.....in a foreign country that they do not know...it wasnt like leaving them at home to go to the shop or for a quick beer in the pub at the end of the street is it?????how can u define neglect when there is a little child missing

Lionheart!

Someone linked to a Mirror forum yesterday which was heaving with pitchforks, and there was a poster with your name!

I'm assuming no relation...

they are fecken 3 and 2
you dont leave them in a house on own
simple as that

mp - I totally agree - its just who darws the line and were should it be drawn.

I'm okish with what the McCanns did as they were subject to a crime - (if what they say is true of course!). However I'm not ok with the vicous dog scenario. We all set our own boundaries and I understand its difficult to not be judgemental sometimes.....

To be honest i didnt really have a problem with the dc having been left alone. The fact was (or so we were led to believe?) that she had been abducted. If an abductor wanted to take her he/she would of found a way to do this regardless of the parents having left her asleep while they ate at the restaurant. She could quite easily be snatched while playing and the parents back turned for 2 minutes.
I personally wouldnt of left my dc for so long, 10minute intervals would of been my maximum. I also wouldnt of been able to relax to any degree, would of bolted my food and dashed back to the apartment immediately.

Well, realistically, if they wanted to charge the McCanns with neglect, they would have to charge all parents who have used the baby-listening service, as it is essentially the same thing.

And that would be a lot of parents.

haychee - exactly my thinking

My concern with leaving them is not the risk of abduction but the more plausable (?sp) risk of sickness, choking, waking with distress and noone there to reassure or comfort.

I believe the McCanns should be seemn as innocent until proven guilty, no one here knows what went on that night so speculating is doing no good. HOWEVER I do believe that what they did was wrong and there should be some follow up by social services. I live in a first floor flat and won't even leave my 3.5 yr old daughter in to hang out the washing which is within listening distance.
So many things could happen, fire, with water or the wee ones could have fallen out of bed. Just because they were irresponsible does not mean they killed Maddie.

I just hope that we find out the truth soon x

haychee - that was my thinking when I was there - but still don't think that was neglect..

That Guardian article doesn't particularly show MN is a bad light - there are worse quotes they could have chosen after all, and the conversations have been fairly even handed IMO (supporters vs doubters). But I'm not quite sure why the catty psedonyms (sp) comment. Just because another site has comments by people called "Ann" or "Samantha" doesn't make them any more identifiable after all.

its neglect

Just had a quick flick through these McCann threads and I think some people forget that posting the sort of thing they are posting on here is very different to a conversation with friends at the where ever you go to talk to friends.

Everything you say is recorded on here and I think it's a good idea to realise that your opinions are here for the whole world to see. And for you to see in say 6 months, a years time. It may be at some point that whatever happened is proven beyond reasonable doubt and the McCanns had absolutely nothing to do with it.

How will you feel looking back at these threads about what you have written about the McCanns ? If you are sure that you will be fine about it, then fair enough. But I reckon there are a few of you who might actually be quite uneasy about some of the stuff you have been typing.

And I do accept the fact that the McCanns may have had something to do with this as some parents in the past have done. But I am not going to speculate on how grieving parents should look and on the things like whether the children were sedated, whether a body was held in a freezer for 25 days (I have made that up but reckon this will appear in a paper at some point in the not too distant future).

What has happened to people like Lindy Chamberlain & Sally Clark makes me very very very heistant in speculating over "facts" of a case, even more about those in the media of a case where the police have a secrecy policy.

TuM, not unless I have an evil twin.

With regards to the baby listening service, I just can't get my head round that! Personally I wouldn't use it and think that there should be no such service.

I wouldnt call it neglect either. Neglect to me is far more than this, its a form of abuse. Leaving them and checking in on them regularly is not abusive. Careless is a better word.

the discussion over the rights and wrongs of leaving the children unattened has been done. i dont think there are many who would support this behaviour given what has just happened.
such conversation does not help anyone, and given the latest information from portugal it seems that it wouldn't have helped at all if the parents had stayed in that night either.

offer your opinion, respond to others but there is no need to take every comment so personally.

...unless of course this is a practice you also partake in and have an element of guilt about it and are therefore highly defensive

the parents have already said they feel incredibly guilty for leaving the children.
It is something they will have to live with for the rest of their lives.
Don't you think they are going through enough hell without being chanrged with neglect or being investigated by social services?

No one deserves to go through what they have gone through and I as much as anybody hopes that Maddie is found safe and well. It just amazes me that so many people believe that it is ok to leave their kids. I have two girls and have never left them on their own. I did not have children without thinking about the impact they would have on my life and have given up many nights out/meals out/went home early to get them to bed and stayed with them. The same applies on holiday.

yes all that is true, we've been over it many times.
Do you think they deserve to be punished then?
Aren't they being punished enough? they know what they did was wrong. That bit has passed now, no one knows where the girl is after all this time

if it turns out that she died accidentally and the parents were somehow involved with tha then yes i hope they spend a very long time in prison. they could have behaved honestly and recieved nothing but sympathy. instead they organsied a massive and fake Pr campaign.

if it turns out they have nothing to do with anyof it and Madeliene remaisn unfound then the living hell they are going through would be punishment enough for having one meal as a childfree couple.

I'm not necessarily saying that they should be punished, there can be nothing worse than losing a child and I know the guilt will never leave them. I just know that if they were joe blogs on a cheap package holiday they would not be getting the sympathy that the mccans are getting and there would be some sort of intervention by s/s.

sitting bull yes

my stance on all this - and i am not a believer - but

THERE BUT FOR THE GRACE OF GOD (insert deity) GO I

thats why i dont pass comment
we are all lucky now lets believe it

social services would have no involvment with this case as it happened oversea's.

i agree that there would probably be a lot less sympathy if this were a working class couple at a butlins.

but tbh io think that discussions over teh rights and wrongs are pointless. does finger pointing and judging get that little girl home? does it make us all a better parent knowing that we would have done things better?

we can't turn back time, and if we could i would bet every penny i own (its not a lot) that the Mccanns would be the first to go back ans spend all night in that appartment