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Mumsnet Discussions: In the news : Kate McCann offered a 'deal' if she confesses to killing madeleine (1017 messages)
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By schnorbitz on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:13:46
HERE
By beansprout on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:14:43
Oh fab! Another thread!!!
By schnorbitz on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:19:54
Oh bog off Beansprout, it is an 'in the news' topic and some people are fed up with trawling through acres of crap to find out the actual news.
If you don't like it go spout off on another thread!
By squeakybrushes on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:20:01
its a total set up. its not that i think a white middle class set of parents couldn't have done such a thing, it's everything else. i shall ask again:
can someone please explain to me, in logistical terms, how you can be sitting in a restaurant a hundred yards from your apartment, having a drink with friends and also murdering your daughter in the room she shared with her toddler siblings, as if you were going off to the loo?
I mean if one person can put forward a competant theory about how exactly that could have happened then i may, just may start to doubt their innocence. but only then.
By LittleBella on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:20:57
Yes it's from SKY NEWS.
Not known for their veracity.
Proof please.
By beansprout on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:22:17
Given that there hasn't been a single one of these threads that has managed to stay clear of gossip and speculation (often of the nastiest kind), I really don't have to be told that I am lowering the tone of your serious discussion.
Why not discuss another aspect of the news if it fascinates you so much?
By kitsandbits on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:22:51
In all honesty a part of me worries that the portugese police think the world is watching and waiting for them to slove this case, and they cant. So this is just a way to make it seem they are getting something done.
I just dont see her doing it TBH and Im not syupid, i know it happens but my gut feeling on this is...she didnt.
By LittleBella on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:23:10
ROFL
What do you think will happen to interest rates?
By schnorbitz on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:23:33
I haven't commented on the news, merely posted the link so other people can read what is being reported.
By BreeVanDerCampLGJ on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:23:39
Get your knitting out girls, this could be a long one.
By beansprout on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:23:47
I also love the constant assumption that people who have access to the internet can't go to the BBC/Sky/various newspaper/ITN etc etc websites if they want a news update, but are reliant on other MNers to post updates.
By kitsandbits on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:24:00
sorry wriggly baby on knee = bad typing!
also if they really did think she murdered her daughter why would they only give her 2 years??
By jofeb04 on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:24:21
Schnorbitz,
Deals are done in Britain as well
By beansprout on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:24:40
I don't know, but I will blame Kate McCann
By schnorbitz on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:26:01
If you are not interested why are even bothering to read the threads, let alone wasting valuable time typing a response to them... could be that you just enjoy stirring up trouble
By schnorbitz on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:26:37
jofe - I never said otherwise i merely posted the link
By LittleBella on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:28:27
LOL at stirring up trouble
And posting the online news equivalent of Heat Magazine is not stirring up trouble then?
It's serious debate is it?
By schnorbitz on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:31:53
Oh sorry is my working class showing!!! Who do the upper classes consider provide the 'real'news then?
By LittleBella on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:32:43
LOL at the upper classes.
Where are they then?
By beansprout on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:32:56
I have no idea, I'm working class, but if you are asking I tend to use BBC news or read The Guardian.
By schnorbitz on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:35:41
So because it is on Sky it's not true?? I'm sure of your point! The BBC have been about 1/2 hr behind in reporting the exact same thing as Sky. Are they all wrong?
By beansprout on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:37:00
It's pretty well established that Sky tend to report things quicker as the BBC carry out more checks. A lot of stuff that is reported on Sky does turn out to be speculation.
By NadineBaggott on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:39:05
shit, I'm running out of wool .......
By schnorbitz on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:39:22
Fair enough but don't shoot the messenger. This is a 'in the news' topic whats the point of having it if people don't post things in the news???
I know the MM subject has been done over and over again but there are going to be developments that people will discuss until she found.
By LittleBella on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:40:21
Masses of Sky stuff turns out to be rubbish
That's why they're quicker.
The problem is, that people remember what they read, but they don't remember that it turned out to be wrong.
Hence why such journalism is despised by anyone who values accuracy.
By schnorbitz on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:40:25
You can have mine NB - I can't type, drink wine and knit at the same time
By LittleBella on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:42:04
But there are already threads about it.
By schnorbitz on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:42:15
So is it just Sky that gets it worng??? Is everything on the BBC news correct?? Probably not!
By cluelessnchaos on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:44:04
Agree with you schnorbitz, nobody is forcing them to look at this thread, they just like to look like the cool kids who are soo above media speculation and reading skynews, I can actually disregard threads I dont want to read, and story lines in the news that I think are untrue, and I read the Times in case anyone is interested.
By beansprout on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:44:08
They take more trouble to be accurate which is why they are the most trusted source of news in the country (and have been for years).
By beansprout on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:44:51
Am I a cool kid? Blimey, who'd have thought it?
By schnorbitz on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:45:14
LB - so any new development should be added to a thread already started??
Maybe MN towers can set up a MM thread, maybe a gang murders thread etc... then we can all one thread to post on and everyones happy.
By LadyVictoriaOfCake on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:46:21
nothing to do with this thread at all,but i love the sounds of your name scnorbitz. it just rolls off your tongue
By schnorbitz on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:46:36
Blimey the wines kicking in I am starting to type like cod
By schnorbitz on Fri 07-Sep-07 21:47:17
Cheers misdee it's an old nickname DH gave me when we were first together ..............ahhhh
By schnorbitz on Fri 07-Sep-07 22:32:00
Being reported on News at Ten too
By McEdam on Fri 07-Sep-07 22:44:41
Wasn't Schnorbitz Bernie Winters' dog?
By auntyspan on Fri 07-Sep-07 22:55:53
Edam - you're right - look here
By WestCountryLass on Fri 07-Sep-07 23:13:23
I have not commented on any of the previous threads but if Madeleines parents were reponsible for her death and have concealed her body, and if she was somehow transported in the hire car which people are suggesting, wouldn't someone have noticed?
I know this is vile but it was warm weather in May in Portugal and her body would have been decomposing and they would not have been able to conceal that I don't think.
By McEdam on Fri 07-Sep-07 23:15:03
and then no-so-smug for carrying that embarrassing and useless piece of information around instead of, I dunno, learning Spanish or something.
By SueW on Fri 07-Sep-07 23:20:53
I'm not sure how much Gerry and Kate McCann will thank Philomena when they get home. She seems to be the root of a number of reports.
Wasn't she on GMTV and This Morning today or yesterday?
She was also the one who reported Kate's workds as being 'They've taken her' or 'They've taken Madeleine' or whatever it was that has caused so much speculation.
By Elizabetth on Sat 08-Sep-07 00:53:24
Gerry McCann has been declared a suspect too.
This whole case has given me the creeps. I've tried to avoid it as much as possible. The whole meeting with the Pope thing seemed completely over the top.
I also can't get over that whole group of adults going off and leaving their children on their own every night. What on earth were any of them thinking of, not just the McCanns?
By Anoah on Sat 08-Sep-07 06:56:04
Remember that there is a huge paedophile ring in europe that has a lot of high government officials from multiple countries as members. I think they are being framed.
By fifisworld on Sat 08-Sep-07 08:05:40
In the sun today it says that Kate mcCann had washed madelines pink bunny that she has been carrying round with her and that they found a bible which had been marked at the page which was about david killing his son????
By debgronow on Sat 08-Sep-07 08:13:00
Yesterday a Portugese newspaper reported that DNA and body fluids from maddie has been found in the car they rented after the disappearance and in a cupboard in the apartment they moved to after maddie disappeared.
How could this be planted by the police in order to frame them.
Also the cadaver dog has found scent on Kates clothes, the cuddle cat toy and a bible. Kate apparently has said that in her job she came accross several deaths and often took her children's soft toys to work with her.
This has not been reported much in the UK.
Today a newspaper says that Gerry admitted to sedating the children
By FoghornLeghorn on Sat 08-Sep-07 08:14:56
I returned yesterday from Praia Da Luz where the McCanns drove past us on numerous occassions, their villa was about 4 doors away from ours and there were permanant cameras, sattelite vans, reporters outside their gates.
There wasn't one day of my holiday I didn't think about them and what they are going through, this is all completely and utter bollocks IMHO of course
By fifisworld on Sat 08-Sep-07 08:20:04
I dont understand how kate could have done it, hidden the body then moved it again when the place was surrounded by police etc..plus they were being followed by reporters etc for weeks, how are they supposed to get away from them to move a body?
It just doesnt make any sense at all
By debgronow on Sat 08-Sep-07 08:23:52
Maddie was a small child her body could have easily been put in a suitcase
By ScoobyDooooo on Sat 08-Sep-07 08:29:28
God this is all just so unbelievebale & shocking
I just heard on the news that it has been said that Kate is mentally unstable & has been known to be aggressive to her children, they think she was aggressive "that night"
I still believe they are innocent, gut feeling i think.
By StealthPolarBear on Sat 08-Sep-07 08:30:14
What's this about the children being sedated?
By debgronow on Sat 08-Sep-07 08:31:41
About 15 mins ago they had a Portugese Journalist person on Sky going through the Portugese news stories.
Its the first time any of this has been reported on Sky and its quite shocking.
By WestCountryLass on Sat 08-Sep-07 08:33:37
Yes, can see how you can hide a small body but not the smell of it decomosing (I know that is gruesome and am sorry for that).
By debgronow on Sat 08-Sep-07 08:36:18
This has been suspected for some time in Portugal but hasnt been reported here.
Gerry and Kate regularly gave the children something to help them to sleep so they can go out with their friends. Tey could use over the counter stuff like Phenergan or pssibly given that they are doctors - something stronger.
Scenarios are
A msitake is made and both give her a dose, she over doses,
She is groggy falls out of bed a hurts herself
She is unwell, vomits and chokes in her sleep.
By ScoobyDooooo on Sat 08-Sep-07 08:36:37
debgronow - that is just speculation about sedating it was reported in the newspaper over in portugal, these certain news paper's have done a lot of speculating over the past 4 months.
By debgronow on Sat 08-Sep-07 08:39:15
Apparently Gerry has admitted to it. Also evidence was found including a syringe.
By haychee on Sat 08-Sep-07 08:41:38
Its a scary situation whichever view you have on this.
On the one hand you may believe they are totally innocent and therefore it is ludicrous to think this could be any one of us who are now being treated as suspects. Either portuguese law system is a joke and or their investigation is clutching at straws and they are wrongly accusing those poor parents.
On the other hand, they could be guilty as hell. How scary is that to think a professional intelligent couple whos lives have been focused on caring for others could possibly do such a terrible thing. And of course their campaign since meadeleines disappearance has just been a complete farce.(?sp)
I beleive they are innocent, however when she first went missing i was suprised at the McCanns composure during those first few interviews with the media.
My dh has disagreed with me and has for some time suspected the parents.
On the one hand it would be a relief to finally know who did what and what happened to the poor child. While at the same time it is incomprehensable to even consider the McCanns as guilty of such an evil event and the pantomime that has ensued.
By noddyholder on Sat 08-Sep-07 08:41:39
Gerry mccann has admitted he sedated all 3 children that night.What reason could he have had for that?I think their number is up personally
By harleyd on Sat 08-Sep-07 08:42:35
do you know what - i nearly hope the little girl did die of an od. and not at the hands of some warped git who did god knows what to her
By totaleclipse on Sat 08-Sep-07 08:44:22
Why would he admit it now? even if its true and they are trying to get away with her death, how could admitting this help them, or if she was truely abdudted but they had sedated her that night, why admit it now, it clearly wont help them look innocent, complete bollocks IMO.
By StealthPolarBear on Sat 08-Sep-07 08:44:22
If that is true then
By totaleclipse on Sat 08-Sep-07 08:46:10
harleyd
I know what you mean, if she is not alive, an accidental over dose would be the best scenario (sp)
By debgronow on Sat 08-Sep-07 08:46:59
Whats in it for the Portugese police to frame the Mccans?
The DNA tests were sent to the UK, whats in it for them to frame the Maccans?
British police sniffer dogs found the scent of a body, whats in it for them to frame the Mccans.
For this to happen its a massive conspiracy and if so why? Its not like they are important people like royalty or the american president
If the Portugese police are incomptetent then the easier thing would be to do nothing
By noddyholder on Sat 08-Sep-07 08:52:21
He admitted it because they had proof in a syringe that was found and part of the forensics.What is wrong with you people to keep defending these awful people?It wasn't enough that they had all day until 6 in the sun without their kids but then they had to drug them to have tehri 'me' time at night too.Selfish and irresponsible imo Although they had no trouble getting into gear for a big campaign and travelling everywhere raising money and profiles but couldn't look after 3 toddlers??
By haychee on Sat 08-Sep-07 08:52:57
I have trouble believing that the portuguese police can be this wrong. I hope of course they are wrong, but is unlikely imo.
However if they are wrong, what has happened to the poor girl?
By ScoobyDooooo on Sat 08-Sep-07 08:53:00
It is just complete speculation about sedating, are newspapers are just as bad with speculation do you believe all they say is well?
I think it is time to now sit back & wait & see what happens from here, i still personally believe this is utter crap & they are covering there own backs because there reputation is on the line (meaning the portugese police) because they messed up in this investigation & have nothing to go on.
Only time will tell, they may go to court before a judge but i think they will not be charged unless there is an enormous amount of evidence against them.
What will happen to the twins in this situation? it is just so so they have already been split from there big sister, now may be split from there parents
By Oenophile on Sat 08-Sep-07 08:53:09
SqueakyClean asks: "can someone please explain to me, in logistical terms, how you can be sitting in a restaurant a hundred yards from your apartment, having a drink with friends and also murdering your daughter in the room she shared with her toddler siblings, as if you were going off to the loo?
I mean if one person can put forward a competant theory about how exactly that could have happened then i may, just may start to doubt their innocence. but only then."
It seems there is some doubt as to when Madeleine was last seen. IF the McCanns are guilty of anything (and I'm leaving that to the police, who may not be the buffoons and idiots some are so keen to suppose) then it must be a priority to establish the last sighting of Madeleine by an independent witness, for the generally accepted timeline of events that night ('she was put to bed at 7, she was still there at 9' etc) seems to come from the two people who have now been declared arguidos, and must now be up for close examination.
From The Times
"Kate and Gerry McCann were the last people to see their daughter. Nobody else has publicly emerged who saw Madeleine after 6pm."
By Oenophile on Sat 08-Sep-07 08:54:18
SqueakyBrushes, not SqueakyClean My apologies.
By debgronow on Sat 08-Sep-07 08:54:36
Noddy holder I agree.
I have been unable to believe the attitude of people who refuse to beleive the (unpleasant) possibility that the parents may have been involved - even if not deliberately.
By haychee on Sat 08-Sep-07 08:54:40
They had all day until 6 without the dc? Then went off out again? I didnt know that.
By totaleclipse on Sat 08-Sep-07 08:55:27
There are several pictures of the MacCanns, out as a family in the day before she vanished, so they were not palmed off everyday.
By debgronow on Sat 08-Sep-07 08:57:39
creche in the morning, lunch, creche in the afternoon, tea, bed
They cant have spent much time as a family that day as gerry and kate took part in a tennis competition that day.
By noddyholder on Sat 08-Sep-07 08:57:53
I think the portuguese police have acted as they should and although they have been suspicious for a while haven't said anything or acted until the results which were done in a uk lab were back.I hope this comes to a quick conclusion and the little girl's body is found for a proper burial although it seems unlikely now
By ScoobyDooooo on Sat 08-Sep-07 08:58:04
I thought they were out as a family that day? i thought the picture of madeleine at the pool with her dad & twin sister was taken that day?
By ScoobyDooooo on Sat 08-Sep-07 08:59:41
There was also another mother who had said madeleine had been playing with her daughter down by the pool that day.
By LucyJones on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:02:56
blimey Noddy - have you heard the phrase 'innocent before proven guilty'?
I still think they had nothing whatsoever to do with it and the Portugese police investigation has been a farce. I find it appalling that people on here are talking about the McCanns in this way and also about 'bodies' Maybe you should just all wait for news before you get so judgemental
By haychee on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:04:39
its in human nature to make speculation. Apologies if you find these threads upsetting, but its quite clear none of us know anything we are just discussing the events as they occur.
By noddyholder on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:07:02
I have heard the phrase innocent until proven guilty yes but am entitled to my opinion as are you and will be more than prepared to eat my words if they are innocent but I doubt it.I don't mince words or sit on the fence that is just me
By morningpaper on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:10:04
Our discussion of yesterday was quoted in today's Guardian.
You might like to bear this in mind.
By ArguidaCod on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:11:59
liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiink
By ArguidaCod on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:12:59
oh god i saw it
who is krazy kool kazza
she needs tochange her name and fast
By ArguidaCod on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:13:28
are YOU not arguida?
i am
its the new balck donthcaknow
By morningpaper on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:13:48
Sympathy for beleaguered parents muted by jeers and suspicion
"On Mumsnet yesterday a furious debate erupted between those hidden behind online pseudonyms. "I do think the McCanns have acted somewhat oddly throughout this investigation - particularly the mother," commented Krazykoolkazza.
"I can't quite see it as natural for a mother in her position to make one of her immediate priorities in the days immediately following the disappearance of her daughter a visit to the Pope - without her remaining children.""
By LucyJones on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:14:26
that is a good enough reason for me sometimes not to say it like you think it is
By anniebear on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:15:24
Re the Phenergan, we had it for our DD on repeat presription for a while (she has SN) to help her sleep
I was worried about giving it to her for more than a few weeks and the Neuro Surgeon said its no problem, he knows Doctors who give it to their perfectly healthy children..................
so its obviously a thing that people do
By LadyVictoriaOfCake on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:15:50
guardian
By virgo on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:15:59
can't believe the comments on families who go on mark warner holidays - lots of differnet people go on these - we've only been on one - and we did feel uncofrtable with the 'childacre' everyday scenario so we go out of our way to find holidays without clubs now and the children often make friends aroundthe pool/beach anway. But back to the point of MW - which is that fairly sporty parents have the opportunity to go sailing and play tennis while thier chidlren do the same activities - my son actually thinks it was the best holiday he's ever been on - you dropp them off at 9.30 am and pick them up at 12ish for a 3 hour lunch and fmaily time togetehr and then back to afternoon club if you wish which lasts for a couple of hours - the problem was at the time we went on holiday - is that MW discouraged children at the evening meal so you were unusual if you kept your children up late with you - so they offered the listending service wehre mw nannies go round the varioud rooms evey half hour to listen for crying and would then fetch the parents immediatley - personally I felt uncomfortable with this so we ate earlier with our children..but almost EVERYONE used the listening service which is the equivalent to what the McCanns did. I faind it totally wrong that there are implied comments that they didn't spend as much time with their children as they should have done.
Its just a break for them and god knows they must have needed one with young twins and a toddler - it just went gone horribly wrong for them. They ob prcatically couldn't have done it - surrounded by firends/mw guests and then a huge media circus thereafter - its ridiculous.
By ArguidaCod on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:16:20
paragraphs?
By TellusMater on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:16:48
It does have amost unfortunate abbreviation. I went to use it, and then decided I wan't that cross with her...
By noddyholder on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:17:06
Cool will keep quiet then!
By TellusMater on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:17:34
krazykoolkazza that is...
By fawkeoff on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:17:47
OMFG!!!
By LucyJones on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:17:48
agree with virgo - you know kids actually sometimes have fun at these holiday schemes
By morningpaper on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:18:55
Yes I'm sure the babies and children who have been crying for 29 minutes since they were last "checked" on have a wonderful time
By ArguidaCod on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:19:05
who cares
one of hteir mates had ot go back to their aprtment as their kdi was vomiting fgs
By pirategirl on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:20:27
I was alarmed to hear justnow on the news, that becuase portugal is a sovereign state, that it's almst enclosed in the way it does things.
eg, the british government can't get involved, we can't do anything about the investigation.
Yet we can go and take troops into other countries.
I don't understand, Kate and Gerry must feel so trapped in the system there now.
By virgo on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:20:41
and my spelling Cod - see thickies go on MW holidays too - wondering why we felt out of place and I had even bought a boden swimming cossie.
By ArguidaCod on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:20:58
er most countried are sovereign states
By TellusMater on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:21:53
Isn't that true of the UK as well?
By fawkeoff on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:23:28
are they not guilty for leaving their children in a room unattended on their own for up to an hour and a half???? there is a woman being charged with murder because her dog mauled her grandaughter to death, why are the mcanns not being charged for neglect anyway????
By LucyJones on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:26:59
I thought they checked every half an hour?
By debgronow on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:27:41
re the doctor who went back to his vomiting kid, he left them to come back to the bar.........
responsible parenting ???
By fawkeoff on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:28:10
well it said on the radio last night that they where left from 30 to 90 minutes.....big time gap if you ask me
By haychee on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:28:13
Of course we have to consider the fact that they have been released without any charges, which is a little suspicious. There cant be any valid 100% proof they did it, as yet.
By virgo on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:29:02
morningpaper - I agree, as I said we felt v uncomfortable with it and used the listening service once and literally gobbled our food down and RAN back to our room.
That's just not pleasureable. HOWEVER we might have felt differently if we were with friends all doing the same thing.
On our recent holiday (not MW) we met people who left their children in their hotel rooms whilst they were in the bar...it goes on all the time...as I say - not with us -
I'm just saying that its not out of the ordinary and Gerry McCann was only doing what everyone else did (ie listening for crying) and this shouldn't be veiwed as strange behaviour of a guilty man.........
By fawkeoff on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:29:51
and i still dont understand why they didnt use the babysitting facilities included in the holiday
By debgronow on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:30:38
fawkeoff I have felt exactly the same.
In both cases a 3 year old child is dead or missing.
The differences being in one case the gran is a cannabis smoking wine drinking council house chave type and in the other the parents are nice professional middle class etc types.
I think the children in both cases are important not their carers
By haychee on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:31:05
Id be anxious after leaving my dc for 10minutes, let alone 90! They are just babies those 3, bless em.
By LucyJones on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:31:43
at the end of the day they haven't been charged, they're not on bail so they can travel freely. Until they are formally charged and convicted of anything I prefer to think they are innocent. I find all the speculation gory and it is shocking that Mumsnet is now being quoted in the press as a site full of McCann bashers.
By virgo on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:32:56
debgronow
completely different cases - If we believe the McCanns they were subject to a criminal break-in - the sort of thing that could happen when you are mowing the lawn.
The other involved allowing a known dangerous dog into a room with a toddler.
By fawkeoff on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:34:40
exactly, the only thing that has kept them out of the cells is their money.
By fawkeoff on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:36:03
virgo it is the same thing,the mcanns left those children unattended in that room fully aware that something could happen to them, just like the grandmother with the dog.
By TellusMater on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:38:18
Jackie Simposn is charged with manslaughter I think. Not murder.
By virgo on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:38:28
and following that reasoning - every parent would have to take their children out of the car when paying for petrol - because in that 1 in 3 trillion case when a child is snatched form you car in that 10 mintue slot you could be arrested and charged with neglect which resulted in your child's death - ridiculous.
as I said MW positively encouraged this behaviour - EVERYONE was doing it when I was there. perhaps MW's policy should be investigated.
By Kewcumber on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:39:06
Neither McCann has admitted to sedating any of their children. In fact they have repeatedly denied it, they have also denied that there were any syringes in the apartment. That story came from a Portuguese newspaper not the police. Speculate all you like, but don't pretend it's fact.
By virgo on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:39:10
fawkeoff
I disagree - there was no dog!
By TellusMater on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:39:35
Um virgo - lots of people on MN think that's exactly what parents should do at petrol stations...
By Moomin on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:39:46
apparently^
allegedly
it seems to me
i think
^supposedly
spot a pattern here?
It makes me feel physically sick that we might all being quoted and lumped in with the lynch mob with this horrible horrible speculating and damning.
If I wasn't getting such great support on another thread for something I have going on at the moment, I wouldn't want to be a mumsnettter today.
But I guess that's the nature of the beast. I really really really hate all this though
By virgo on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:40:56
yes I know - but I have never seen anyone doing it...
By Crazydazy on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:42:59
It is so sad to think that this could be the conclusion to what happened to this poor little girl.
Everybody in the world just wanted the safe return of this little girl to her loving parents, now if this did happen accidental or not how could the parents go on TV and plea for her return knowing full well what had really happened. This is the bit that I just cannot get my head around and the bit that I really do not want to believe has happened.
By fawkeoff on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:42:59
virgo....there was no one!!!! that is bloody worse, can u not understand that it is against the law to leave your children unattended like that.If it had been a poorer class family that this has happened to their other kids would have been taken into care....open your eyes!!!!
By totaleclipse on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:44:25
Are the McCanns going in for more questioning today do we know? Do we know if the poice will reveal all details of the blod and DNA tests?
I am going to bath the kids and do some housework, and try to stay away from the news til this afternoon, I just hope the end is near.
By TheDuchess on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:45:18
It really is like the Salem witch hunts around here.
How can anyone possibly know what happened/what didn't and what the police know or don't know.
That poor child.
By fawkeoff on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:47:18
i am not saying they killed the little girl, but i am saying they are in the wrong for leaving the children anyway
By virgo on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:48:00
ok - don't shout - its just an opinion and we're all entitled...
as has been said before on MN - its not against the law (UK law anyway)to leave your children unattended - fact. only to do so which could be viewed as neglect - h ave an 8 year old now - who I let out to the shop - some do this when their children are 6 - its all a matter of trying to getting it right as a parent -
I happen to think that the McCann's did not neglect their children - some disagree with me - fair enough.
I am not trying to voice an opinion as to whether they were right or wrong - but just saying what they were doing was not unusual so shouldn't be spun as if it was to try and cover up her accidental death by one of them..
By lionheart on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:49:20
One of these will come in handy about now.
By morningpaper on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:49:34
Leaving them on a petrol forecourt where you can SEE them at all times and they are covered by about 100 CCTV cameras is not quite the same
By fawkeoff on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:50:30
okay virgo i respect your opinion, but they did neglect those children.....in a foreign country that they do not know...it wasnt like leaving them at home to go to the shop or for a quick beer in the pub at the end of the street is it?????how can u define neglect when there is a little child missing
By TellusMater on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:51:42
Lionheart!
Someone linked to a Mirror forum yesterday which was heaving with pitchforks, and there was a poster with your name!
I'm assuming no relation...
By harleyd on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:51:54
they are fecken 3 and 2
you dont leave them in a house on own
simple as that
By virgo on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:53:05
mp - I totally agree - its just who darws the line and were should it be drawn.
I'm okish with what the McCanns did as they were subject to a crime - (if what they say is true of course!). However I'm not ok with the vicous dog scenario. We all set our own boundaries and I understand its difficult to not be judgemental sometimes.....
By haychee on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:53:42
To be honest i didnt really have a problem with the dc having been left alone. The fact was (or so we were led to believe?) that she had been abducted. If an abductor wanted to take her he/she would of found a way to do this regardless of the parents having left her asleep while they ate at the restaurant. She could quite easily be snatched while playing and the parents back turned for 2 minutes.
I personally wouldnt of left my dc for so long, 10minute intervals would of been my maximum. I also wouldnt of been able to relax to any degree, would of bolted my food and dashed back to the apartment immediately.
By TellusMater on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:55:48
Well, realistically, if they wanted to charge the McCanns with neglect, they would have to charge all parents who have used the baby-listening service, as it is essentially the same thing.
And that would be a lot of parents.
By virgo on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:56:19
haychee - exactly my thinking
By haychee on Sat 08-Sep-07 09:59:18
My concern with leaving them is not the risk of abduction but the more plausable (?sp) risk of sickness, choking, waking with distress and noone there to reassure or comfort.
By lomondgal on Sat 08-Sep-07 10:02:43
I believe the McCanns should be seemn as innocent until proven guilty, no one here knows what went on that night so speculating is doing no good. HOWEVER I do believe that what they did was wrong and there should be some follow up by social services. I live in a first floor flat and won't even leave my 3.5 yr old daughter in to hang out the washing which is within listening distance.
So many things could happen, fire, with water or the wee ones could have fallen out of bed. Just because they were irresponsible does not mean they killed Maddie.
I just hope that we find out the truth soon x
By virgo on Sat 08-Sep-07 10:03:12
haychee - that was my thinking when I was there - but still don't think that was neglect..
By nooka on Sat 08-Sep-07 10:04:11
That Guardian article doesn't particularly show MN is a bad light - there are worse quotes they could have chosen after all, and the conversations have been fairly even handed IMO (supporters vs doubters). But I'm not quite sure why the catty psedonyms (sp) comment. Just because another site has comments by people called "Ann" or "Samantha" doesn't make them any more identifiable after all.
By harleyd on Sat 08-Sep-07 10:05:01
its neglect
By chocolateteapot on Sat 08-Sep-07 10:05:06
Just had a quick flick through these McCann threads and I think some people forget that posting the sort of thing they are posting on here is very different to a conversation with friends at the where ever you go to talk to friends.
Everything you say is recorded on here and I think it's a good idea to realise that your opinions are here for the whole world to see. And for you to see in say 6 months, a years time. It may be at some point that whatever happened is proven beyond reasonable doubt and the McCanns had absolutely nothing to do with it.
How will you feel looking back at these threads about what you have written about the McCanns ? If you are sure that you will be fine about it, then fair enough. But I reckon there are a few of you who might actually be quite uneasy about some of the stuff you have been typing.
And I do accept the fact that the McCanns may have had something to do with this as some parents in the past have done. But I am not going to speculate on how grieving parents should look and on the things like whether the children were sedated, whether a body was held in a freezer for 25 days (I have made that up but reckon this will appear in a paper at some point in the not too distant future).
What has happened to people like Lindy Chamberlain & Sally Clark makes me very very very heistant in speculating over "facts" of a case, even more about those in the media of a case where the police have a secrecy policy.
By lionheart on Sat 08-Sep-07 10:05:14
TuM, not unless I have an evil twin.
By lomondgal on Sat 08-Sep-07 10:05:15
With regards to the baby listening service, I just can't get my head round that! Personally I wouldn't use it and think that there should be no such service.
By haychee on Sat 08-Sep-07 10:06:08
I wouldnt call it neglect either. Neglect to me is far more than this, its a form of abuse. Leaving them and checking in on them regularly is not abusive. Careless is a better word.
By mamazon on Sat 08-Sep-07 10:06:34
the discussion over the rights and wrongs of leaving the children unattened has been done. i dont think there are many who would support this behaviour given what has just happened.
such conversation does not help anyone, and given the latest information from portugal it seems that it wouldn't have helped at all if the parents had stayed in that night either.
offer your opinion, respond to others but there is no need to take every comment so personally.
...unless of course this is a practice you also partake in and have an element of guilt about it and are therefore highly defensive
By LucyJones on Sat 08-Sep-07 10:09:40
the parents have already said they feel incredibly guilty for leaving the children.
It is something they will have to live with for the rest of their lives.
Don't you think they are going through enough hell without being chanrged with neglect or being investigated by social services?
By lomondgal on Sat 08-Sep-07 10:15:07
No one deserves to go through what they have gone through and I as much as anybody hopes that Maddie is found safe and well. It just amazes me that so many people believe that it is ok to leave their kids. I have two girls and have never left them on their own. I did not have children without thinking about the impact they would have on my life and have given up many nights out/meals out/went home early to get them to bed and stayed with them. The same applies on holiday.
By LucyJones on Sat 08-Sep-07 10:16:50
yes all that is true, we've been over it many times.
Do you think they deserve to be punished then?
Aren't they being punished enough? they know what they did was wrong. That bit has passed now, no one knows where the girl is after all this time
By mamazon on Sat 08-Sep-07 10:20:16
if it turns out that she died accidentally and the parents were somehow involved with tha then yes i hope they spend a very long time in prison. they could have behaved honestly and recieved nothing but sympathy. instead they organsied a massive and fake Pr campaign.
if it turns out they have nothing to do with anyof it and Madeliene remaisn unfound then the living hell they are going through would be punishment enough for having one meal as a childfree couple.
By SittingBull on Sat 08-Sep-07 10:20:19
i have done some incredibly stupid things in my life - both before and after children - i shudder with hindsight
whatever has happened here, i have nothing, nothing, but complete and utter compassion for Mr and Mrs McCann
By lomondgal on Sat 08-Sep-07 10:23:39
I'm not necessarily saying that they should be punished, there can be nothing worse than losing a child and I know the guilt will never leave them. I just know that if they were joe blogs on a cheap package holiday they would not be getting the sympathy that the mccans are getting and there would be some sort of intervention by s/s.
By NotAnOtter on Sat 08-Sep-07 10:26:04
sitting bull yes
my stance on all this - and i am not a believer - but
THERE BUT FOR THE GRACE OF GOD (insert deity) GO I
thats why i dont pass comment
we are all lucky now lets believe it
By mamazon on Sat 08-Sep-07 10:26:27
social services would have no involvment with this case as it happened oversea's.
i agree that there would probably be a lot less sympathy if this were a working class couple at a butlins.
but tbh io think that discussions over teh rights and wrongs are pointless. does finger pointing and judging get that little girl home? does it make us all a better parent knowing that we would have done things better?
we can't turn back time, and if we could i would bet every penny i own (its not a lot) that the Mccanns would be the first to go back ans spend all night in that appartment
By LucyJones on Sat 08-Sep-07 10:27:01
thank God, the voice of reason
By LucyJones on Sat 08-Sep-07 10:27:17
that was to NotanOtter
By virgo on Sat 08-Sep-07 10:41:14
lomondgal - great posting...
We all muddle through being parents - when I first posted on mumsnet 5 years ago it really helped & gave lots of support to parents wondering what the 'right' thing to so is..not so judgemental.
By virgo on Sat 08-Sep-07 10:42:45
oops meant great posting sittingbull
By McEdam on Sat 08-Sep-07 10:43:56
Good post, Mamazon.
By debgronow on Sat 08-Sep-07 10:49:30
Taken from the NSPCC website
www.nspcc.org.uk/helpandadvice/publications/leaflets/homealonepdfwdf36243.pdf
Never leave babies or young children home
alone (whether sleeping or awake), not even for a few minutes.
Most children under about 13 are not mature enough to cope with an emergency and should not be left alone for more than a very short time.
By kookaburra on Sat 08-Sep-07 11:36:30
The Portugese don't do plea bargains. More tosh from Sky, fed by the McCann hype machine.
Also the Portgeese police don't bring charges - they present a dossier to the procesecutor who decides.
By McEdam on Sat 08-Sep-07 11:43:49
I remember this story which certainly made me question the professionalism of the Portugese police. Why would you let someone charged with beating a confession out of the mother of a missing child lead an investigation into another missing child? It does make me suspicious of their integrity in turning the spotlight on Kate and Gerry McCann, frankly.
So far they have made three English people suspects. Which could be reasonable, or could be very tempting if you want to make it clear the crime is nothing to do with your country.
By ScoobyDooooo on Sat 08-Sep-07 12:12:39
McEdam that is the story which has been playing on my mind, i also agree with everything you have said in your last post.
By flightattendant on Sat 08-Sep-07 12:48:00
This is more idle speculation and supposition, but I read that one of the party saw a man carrying a child out of the apartments after Gerry had been to 'check' on her.
I wondered if perhaps Gerry knew this man had taken her - alive or otherwise - Gerry was apparently chatting to some other person for a few minutes at the time, on his way back to the bar. Possibly stalling or something?
Nobody knows of course but I wondered if anyone else had thought of it.
I have concluded that I am posting on here as reassurance that my thoughts/suspicions are perhaps shared, not because I want actively to condemn anybody before they are shown to have done anything. Acknowledging that I haven't a clue about what really happened.
Also if Gerry is supposed to have said he presumed she had moved to the other room to get away from the babies crying, the picture that conjures up of crying babies being left completely alone for an hour or even half an hour at a time, is just appalling.
That was something I read but I don't know if it is true.
By LilianGish on Sat 08-Sep-07 12:59:34
Do people really sedate their children? I don't have a problem with leaving them asleep in a hotel room and checking them if they are good sleepers (I've never done it as my daughter has always been a v light sleep, ds on the other hand to sleep through an earthquake)but if you feel you have to sedate them to do this it smacks of not being able to come to terms with responsibility of looking after small children. Not saying that this is what the Mccanns did - innocent until proven guilty imo - just wondered if this was really something someone might do.
By binkleandflip on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:01:03
I do not understand if the friend saw a man carrying a child away from the apartment, why that friend wouldnt intervene.
I think this friend has false memory syndrome
By kitsandbits on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:03:09
apparantly he thought it was just another dad carrying his sleepy child back to an appartment.
By LizaRose on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:03:55
Loads of people sedate their children. I was in a queue in a hospital pharmacy once collecting a prescription, and the woman in front of me was collecting sedatives for her poor sleeping toddler. She was saying what a godsend the drugs are and the pharmacist was saying yes, we give out a lot of these.
By flightattendant on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:06:00
It was Jane something, she hadn't really clocked it until later when Madeleine had gone.
It didn't say if the child looked anything like her though, just she remembered seeing somebody carrying a kid.
Perhaps it was a false memory. It just made me think, if Gerry didn't go into the other bedroom, the person could have been hiding in there with her, or they could have sneaked in after Gerry had left, or it could have been that he was involved.
But if the person left after Gerry, they would have had to be hiding somewhere while he was checking the apartment if you see what I mean.
By haychee on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:06:04
Wow, i didnt think these types of sedatives were so freely available .
By paulaplumpbottom on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:06:20
So they are now formal suspects. Will they be allowed to come back to the UK?
By dellgirl13 on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:07:10
what springs to my mind is that the man carrying the child could have been gerry? and the 10 min chat was made up as an alibi so it shows he checked on them?
By compo on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:07:16
yes they can
there are no bail restrictions
By haychee on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:07:18
No i think they are not allowed to travel.
By flightattendant on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:07:42
Paula, not while they are under Arguida status...they have to report to police every 5 days or something like that.
By kitsandbits on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:07:45
So Gerry went in - Maddy wasn't htere - and he left assuming she was in another room??
but didnt make sure before leaving??
that cant be right!
By binkleandflip on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:08:27
oh, I was under the understanding they said he was walking away from the McCann flat.
I think I know why so many people find it so hard to even entertain the idea that the parents could be involved. It is of course because of the huge amount of attention and coverage the 'official' story ie abduction has received. It has almost been programmed into the public's psyche that this is what happened as so we naturally look at the paltry evidence so far and try in our own minds to make it fit to an abduction scenario.
To change that mindset now is quite difficult.
I cant actually believe they did it, but I think that's because it goes against everything we have been conditioned so far to think and feel about this case I think.
Cant get me head around any of it at all.
By glitterchick on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:09:35
Really hope the McCanns are not involved but Sky New has a habit of sensationalising stories - the more drama the better which doesn't help. So we'll wait and see. Innocent till proven guilty IMO.
By dellgirl13 on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:09:55
apparently he didnt go in he just listened
By LilianGish on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:10:04
So that's the answer on any "difficulty getting toddler to sleep" threads - use sedatives
By flightattendant on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:11:23
Kits, apparently that's what happened...he saw the twins, assumed Madeleine was in the other room to get away from the crying, and didn't actually look...unbelievable, right?
By haychee on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:11:56
But Kate wears such sensible shoes! She cant possibly be a child killer! is a joke btw
By binkleandflip on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:12:13
I have used medised for dd when she is feverish or coughing so she could get rest - and yes - it is a godsend tbh. It's a proper medicine - sedatives in themselves aren't a dirty word. I cant say I agree with dosing children up just so you can have a bit of adult time in peace tho
By flightattendant on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:12:29
Adding that this is only stuff I've read online - BBC, Guardian websites etc.
If Sky sensationalises I'd better not read it any more, as I didn't realise.
By haychee on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:14:02
There really does appear to be quite a few serious holes in their story. Im still shocked though. Its unimaginable, unpredictable and horrific, not to mention downright scary - that we have all been sucked in and led to believe they are the victims. I hope to god we have closure soon one way or another.
By SueW on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:15:51
I just wish they'd spend some of that money on private detectives or some kind of investigator.
If I had a million quid donated for the purpose of finding a missing child and the police were implying she was dead without a body, I like to think I'd be trying to prove otherwise. Especially if they were saying I was responsible for the 'death'.
Spend the dosh, FGS!!
By orangehead on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:16:13
there is nothing wrong with sedating a child if required but then leaving a sedated child? its possible to have reactions such as laboured breathing even when u have previosly had same drug with no reaction. I dont agree with leaving young children fullstop but a sedated child should be monitored closely
By binkleandflip on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:16:58
good point SueW, unless of course, they know that search would be futile.
By lornaloo on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:17:21
But surely being doctors they would know this.
By lornaloo on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:18:11
Oh totally agree with you there Sue. A private detective from the off.
By flightattendant on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:20:52
I agree Orangehead. There are so many holes in the story anyway. It just doesn't sound like an evening you or I would have.
Would not leave the children.
Would not go to check and blatantly fail to do so.
Would not sedate the children, full stop.
(unless they were ill)
Oh, I don't know...it's all so bizarre and terrible.
By ELMTREE on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:27:07
something in my head tells me something is not right with the whole scenario. How did the blood get under the sofa? why did kate wash maddies favorite toy? I know for one i would have wanted the smell of my daughter on it. What about the DNA found in the hire car?
By flightattendant on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:30:17
Good point Elmtree, there is no way I would wash something of my child's if they were missing.
i have just been reading Gerry's blog. It is full of exclamation marks and sounds really cheerful. It makes me feel a bit sick, I can't understand why someone in his situation would want to publish something like this...'popped into church to pray' sort of thing, it's horribly 'I'm a great parent' and makes me very suspicious if anything..
I just don't get it. Something about protesting too much/
By McEdam on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:39:12
No, Binkle, people who object to lurid speculation are not thickies who cannot understand that sometimes, very sadly, parents are guilty of harming their children.
My POV is that fabricating details about a very real little girl's disappearance for your own entertainment is nasty, to say the least. Read some crime fiction, or watch CSI, or something if you want that kind of stuff.
And kicking someone when they are down is pathetic. Most of all, the decent way to respond to the parents of a missing child is with sympathy unless and until it is shown as a fact that they are responsible.
By haychee on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:40:08
Part of me hopes the poor girls end came while she was sleeping, not in any possible torturous way.
However going down this road, why would there be blood to find either in the apartment or the hire car if she had merey suffered an overdose? To consider the fact that she was bleeding leads to suspect an event far more violent.
By tazmosis on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:42:14
Flightattendant - whilst not wanting 'to actively condemn anybody' you seem to be doing a pretty good job of just that.
By the way - remember Sally Clark anybody...?
By ELMTREE on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:42:16
god hadnt even thought of that. Thats awful. I feel something will come out very soon that is incriminating to them.
By flightattendant on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:53:36
Tazmosis, I'm condemning the blog I suppose...nothing else is known for sure, that's just speculation, and I'm sorry if it offends anyone, which well I'm pretty sure it does and I feel bad just speculating so will stop now.
But the blog is just awful. I am just saying I hate it.
Sorry.
By flightattendant on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:56:21
Oh and I was condemning the fact the kids were left too. Probably a few more things as well.
Sorry. Will shut up now.
By ELMTREE on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:57:35
Flight Attendant, dont be sorry, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Freedom of speech and everything. No one knows for sure what has happened. Will have to wait and see.
By ArguidaCod on Sat 08-Sep-07 13:57:56
oh arent you arguidas
oh realyl
os ehind hte times
By compo on Sat 08-Sep-07 14:12:16
Haychee - where do you get your info from?
BBC - "No bail conditions, travel restrictions or charges have been imposed on the couple. "
By haychee on Sat 08-Sep-07 14:19:32
I did say, "I think.." didnt say i knew for certain. I thought they had to report in every so many days.
By NKF on Sat 08-Sep-07 14:22:07
No-one's been charged you know. Just thought I'd put that in.
By birthdaycake on Sat 08-Sep-07 14:22:40
Would someone put a link to Gerry Mccann's blog,please. I can't find it.
By kentgirl73 on Sat 08-Sep-07 14:27:12
cuddle cat was washed after a few weeks - i read that in a paper cant remember which one. Hopwever, if the police were so thorough why wasnt it removed from the time madeline went missing?
Its all wrong and I am amazed at how many people have turned on them - who knows how you would react if it was your child missing, i know for sure I wouldnt be thinking about the outside world and how am i looking etc...
By Bambiraptor on Sat 08-Sep-07 14:31:19
People react in all sorts of unusual ways when they are greiving. The very fact that they are doing things that others find unusual or out of place is a sign of greif.
It is truly terrible and wrong to be so judgemental and eagar to jump to conclusions. It says a lot more about you than it does about the McCanns.
By ScoobyDooooo on Sat 08-Sep-07 14:34:42
Gerry's blog -
www.findmadeleine.com
By bobbysmum07 on Sat 08-Sep-07 14:36:04
The fact that they haven't been charged will be due not to lack of evidence but due process. In Portugal, the evidence is put before a judge who then brings charges.
I don't believe anyone in the McCann's position would try to move a body after 25 days. I do believe that they might try to move the child's clothes after that time however, which would explain the DNA found in the boot of the car.
By birthdaycake on Sat 08-Sep-07 14:37:40
Thanks for the link.
By wannaBe on Sat 08-Sep-07 14:50:17
I do not believe for one second that the Mccanns are being set up by the police. If the police had wanted a conclusion to this case and wanted to set someone up, then surely they could have set up Robert Murat months ago. He?d been made a suspect, the media did a nice job of blackening his name, so charging and convicting him of a crime would have been far easier than to fabricate new evidence against a new set of suspects. It just doesn?t make sense that they would try and set up the family, given the amount of publicity they have had and the amount of support they have.
But equally I don?t believe that Kate Mccann was offered a deal. Imo that?s sensationalist crap from the family and the media, the same people who claimed that the shutters had been forced open, a fact which also turned out not to be the case.
I think the family should stop talking to the media, really I do. I think they?re not helping, and although they want to do what they think is best for kate/gerry, I?m not sure that fabricating stories about deals being offered is the way to go.
By bobbysmum07 on Sat 08-Sep-07 15:03:24
The idea that these people are being stitched up by the Portugese and British police is laughable. I predicted yesterday there would be an outcry of "they was framed", but I thought it would come from the diehards on these boards, not the family itself (aided and abetted by the disgusting British media).
Anyone who is prepared to dismiss hard evidence in favour of lunatic straw-clutching because they can't bring themselves to admit that they might have been wrong to make too much of a personal investment in something that was nothing to do with them really is guilty of doing this little girl a grave injustice.
By wannaBe on Sat 08-Sep-07 15:03:56
have never read Gerry's blog before but having done so now I find it odd.
"After dropping the twins off Kate and I popped into church for 10 minutes to pray for Madeleine.". why would people be interested in this? it's a bit like saying "we popped to the shop to pick up a paper". I really fail to see the purpose of this blog, I have read other blogs in the past, misdee's about peter, Kewcumber's about her adoption journey, both of which would be helpful/give an insite into what the writers are going through, but Gerry's just seems to be some rambling - and is of no use to anyone. Why ever would that need to be public?
By tazmosis on Sat 08-Sep-07 15:04:44
How are you so certain that the family are fabricating but the police aren't. If you google 'miscarriage of justice' I am sure that you will find many many examples of the police 'setting people' up.
By montmerency on Sat 08-Sep-07 15:08:37
It seems to me that the police are clutching at straws - they have stopped looking for Madeleine and need to ensure that future tourists see Portgual/Praia de Luz as a place where child-snatchers are punished. Let's face it - their investigation has seemed a bit rubbish at times (although, clearly I am not a law-enforcement official).
I just can't believe this couple are guilty of such a crime. Also - on the subject of sedation - the drug in question is present in most medications like calpol - so it could be perfectly innocent.
More pertinently, the media do seem to have reported the slightest bit of 'news' with wild abandon and I don't think any of the public really know what is going on anymore.
By preggersagain on Sat 08-Sep-07 15:09:46
as they are now formal suspects they are NOT allowed to leave the country