I just can't take this in. I've no words.

[TheQueef]

Sarah Barrass and Brandon machin in the link.
It's upsetting, be warned

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-50388496

If you saw the vile inadequate grandmother,who had several men through her house and severely abused and neglected her children,you would know why this was the result.

@Anotherlongdrive I agree - I think it is likely Machin was also subjected to abuse.

I don't think they're blameless either and it is right they are punished.

But they weren't born evil, and Barrass at least certainly has suffered a great deal of evil herself.

I really hope the children are getting proper support but given the nature of CAHMs and SS I’d guess not. I wonder if there is an anonymous way to donate to their recovery and it be administered by a third party such as NSPCC.

The reported motivations don't make any sense at all. I was confused at the time, and I'm even more confused after reading the additional info now.

But they weren't born evil, and Barrass at least certainly has suffered a great deal of evil herself.

And he must certainly has. I dont understand why people keep framing it that she must have suffered worse.

Its like people are making out she isnt quite as bad as him. Despite her saying she had the right to take their lives.

Shinesweetfreedom - and the generation before her as well I bet?!

The parents being half siblings is not news at all. Their other brother's comments on Facebook as well as the mother of the murderers confirmed that. From other people's comments it was obviously known in the community too.

As evil as they both were they are clearly both a product of the abuse they suffered as children themselves.
Social services have a lot to answer for here!

Let's just hope the poor surviving children get enough support to are able to lead the best lives they can without being affected by all that has happened to them.

I really really hope these two suffer horribly every single day they’re inside. Hopefully the screws will turn a blind eye.

@Anotherlongdrive I'm only going by what's in the reports I've read.

It has been reported that Barrass was abused and in care.

Nothing has been reported about Machin in that respect that I have read.

I agree it is probable that they both suffered terribly as children, but as far as Machin goes I can only speculate unless something is reported.

I understand that they will move areas but if the papers hadn’t named their parents and siblings then they would in all likelihood not need new names and identities.
What does the public gain from knowing their names that could possibly outweigh the right of the surviving siblings to privacy?

Shit. Just so, so sad for all the children. Utter monsters.

So the grandmother is posting details on facebook, but never bothered protecting her children nor her grandchildren

I agree it is probable that they both suffered terribly as children, but as far as Machin goes I can only speculate unless something is reported.

I get that. Its the tone that she isnt quite as bad, a because the papers have pointed out she was abused. Just because they wasnr used during his defence, means nothing. Especially, when she was the one who felt she had the right to decide they were dying.

I understand that they will move areas but if the papers hadn’t named their parents and siblings then they would in all likelihood not need new names and identities.
They would. Everyone in the local area will know its them and their family.

I couldn’t bear to read the whole report, all I can imagine is the awful, awful lives those children had and the fear they must have felt.

You feel for their children but not for the children they were? If they hadn't tried to kill the children it's very possible they would have grown up to do terrible things as well, there was clearly a cycle of abuse in this family.

On the BBC website it says the mother messaged a friend saying "I love my kids too much to kill them, I can't put them into care for the same reason." The fact that she chose to kill them could be taken as a damning indictment of the 'care' system, which she, after all, had experienced. Certainly being in care doesn't seem to have actually helped her achieve a better outcome in life.

The whole thing is just tragic, more so because I'm sure something could have been done to prevent it.

Absolutely horrific, what a tragic story

That’s why I said that I understood they’d have to move away from the area. But now people all over the country have seen the name, and if the resemblance between their two brothers is anything to go by, they may resemble them closely enough for people to guess who they are from the photos alone.

These children didn’t even know that their uncle was their father. It isn’t actually clear that they’ve been told yet. Splashing this all over the papers may well mean that they have to be told before they are ready.

The comments were deleted shortly after but at the time on the Facebook page of local news the grandmother/ mother was writing abusive comments to people who questioned why she let her own children have a sexual relationship and produce children.

Also, why are some people wishing death and suffering on the parents and not the grandparents and any others abused the parent(s?)?

I shouldn't read these threads. I hate the way people have so much sympathy for the poor abused children, but when they turn into damaged, dangerous adults no amount of suffering is too harsh for them. Nobody actually wants to pay for proper care and support to make those outcomes less likely though. As a society we are just fucked up, our priorities are fucked up.

This kind of abuse of children has been replicated many times so far as we know.

There are evil people out there.

Are we afraid of calling the Police or SS do you think, you know., the British thing of not interfering. I dunno.

LightsInOtherPeoplesHouses- that sums up exactly how I often feel about these threads. There’s no denying that these two people did something horribly evil. That doesn’t mean that the horrible cycle of abuse in their family isn’t very sad though.

This whole case is just horrific. What stuck out for me was one of the younger siblings trying to tell the policeman behind his mums back that his brothers were dead by running his finger across his neck when she said they were fine but weren’t at home. I don’t know why, but that action has really struck me. They must of been terrified.

LightsInOtherPeoplesHouses Well said. Adults matter just as much. Everybody deserves the appropriate care and support, not just children. If Barrass and Machin had been given this, we would not be reading the news we read today.

@LightsInOtherPeoplesHouses I don't think I could put it any better.