DNA from bottle in Belgium, does not match Madeleine

[Wolfgirl]

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/08/wmaddy208.xml

shame

Yes, I see your point. Just thought I'd mention that the picture of the child didn't help at all - but a picture and a NAME of the suspect did. Unfortunately there is no evidence whatsoever to link anyone with Madeleine's disappearance.

What do you think about this

www.mcrf.us/CODEADAM.asp

I think it is a very good idea!

Wolfgirl
Are you being deliberately obtuse so that you can lump everyone into your "bitches" response.

You said
"pagwatch what beggars belief"
I think if you read my post it is clear. I have no problem with people being involved and following the case.

If you read my post the ONLY point I am making is that your comment equates your involvement to that of the parents.
Do you really stand by that? Do you really believe that you are as involved as the parents? THAT is what I was responding to.

As I said - I am not really sure about what constitutes interest and what constitutes voyerism because i believe that people are genuinely touched by this case ( for whatever reason this case does honestly seem to affect people ).
I am pretty baffled that you therefore choose to call me 'a bitch with claws out' and then complain that I insulted you.
If you feel you are being attacked then defend yourself but please check what you are responding to!
I am a relatively new member and I am not part of any 'gang'. The only person I have made any personal contact with is on the special needs section.

At the end of the day if there is any evidence then hopefully those responsible will be brought to justice, it seems more likely after this length of time however that that is more and more unlikely to happen.

Sadly I predict that in a few years time when we have all but forgotten this case there will be a sad follow up with a photofit of what she may look like a few years on just like there was with the Ben Needham case.

All this arguing does is give people the opportunity to vent a little anger.

At the end of the day I have my own LO's to think about and take care of, it's the job of the police to take care of this.

Wg, there is a vast difference between looking out for news/contributing to discussions and actually being ?involved? in this case. If the media stopped reporting on this case tomorrow, the majority of people would stop talking about it, probably by the end of the week. And maybe in the future, when other children were reported missing, people would remember and say ?oh, it?s like Madeleine Mccann, she was never found..? and would then go back to discussing the latest case. But for the family, those who are close to this case, they will always be reminded of what happened, at Christmas, on birthdays, when they get out the family photos, it will always be there.

You don?t know Madeleine, you don?t know the family, (as far as I?m aware), you are not grieving for this child, and therefore you cannot put yourself in a position of ?being involved?. You have on occasions posted things like ?it might as well be my own child, that?s how upset I am?, or words to that effect, and imo to be that upset/involved in something that doesn?t actually concern you can perceived as not being particularly healthy. If this does upset you so much, then maybe you should take a step back and ask yourself why, and question whether you should be reading about this case at all.

Wrt to all the ?leaks? about what is going on, they had some guy from an English-speaking Portuguese paper on 5 live this morning, and he was talking about the ?unofficial? sources of info they have and how reliable they are. He said that he doesn?t necessarily think that it is helpful to post some of the things the press over there have, such as the tapping of phones/reading of emails, but he did say that according to his police sources, it is now definitely a body that the police are looking for. He did also go on to say that this didn?t necessarily implicate the family though.

As for the parents being involved, I don?t think they are, but I can?t hand on heart say that I don?t think there?s any way they could be. We just never know what goes on, and although I don?t think the Mccanns are murderers, I wouldn?t be totally shocked if it turned out they had some involvement, or even some knowledge, of what happened to Madeleine.

Madelines parents have to live with the fact she was neglected in a hotel room for the rest of their life. No matter what anyone says to backup leaving a child alone in a room round the corner from where your drinking and having fun, the truth is she was left alone anlone with her siblings. The more i think about the Mc Canns the less sympathy i have for them. I hope to God the little girl is found but it seems unlikely.

As for the parents insisting she is still alive, its just their way to keep at the top of the headlines. I cant fault them for that but its their fault all this happened.

that's horribly harsh 2mum. I am sorry, but I think that is v unkind.

Im not being unkind, im just stating what happened. If i went to the beer garden round the corner from my house and left my 2 sons and something happened would i get the same sympathy? I very much doubt it.

If someone abducted your children 2mum then you would have my sympathy, whatever the circumstances.

And frankly I find it disturbing that other people don't feel the same way.

Whatever I think about the circumstances under which this child went missing, not to feel sympathy for her parents seems to me to be rather chilling.

I did feel sympathy for her parents at the start, im feeling less for them now and more angry at them for the situation and danger they left their children in.

Nope. Still don't get it. Their child is missing. Probably dead, although of course they want to cling on to any hope, so they insist sheis alive. And they must feel enormous guilt themselves.

Not to pity them is heartless. IMO.

I think that the reason people are struggling with the sympathy is the way that the parents have not been truthful from the start.

The patio doors of the apartment were left open and yet even in the last interview the mother did she said, "If I thought for one minute that someone would break in and take her" Nobody did "break in"

If it were my child I would be telling the absolute truth regardless of how it made me look because my first priority would be getting her back.

Nope. Still don't get it.

"Struggling with sympathy?"

Why does it matter what form of words they use with the media.

And FWIW, when someone walked in through my unlocked back door and stole something, I felt like a break in to me.

We aren't talking about what form of words they use we are talking about not being truthful.

As I said, I would refer to my incident as a break in. Because somebody unlawfully entered my house and stole my property. There was no actual break in.

No you don't get it

How on earth does calling it a 'break in' instead of an 'unlawful entry' in an interview with the media hinder the investigation?

And why would it make you feel any less sympathy for parents who have lost their child?

The parents told the police at the very start that the window had been forced, this was not true, according to the police and also the apartment manager.

This is what I am refering to as not being truthful.

You were right in your earlier posts when you said you don't get it.

Yawn

How many times has this been talked about?

Evryone has their own opinions so maybe its best to keep them to yourself.

I have my on opinion but i dont wish to talk about it on here (i would get parped)

I just wish all missing children could get the publicity that this little girl has, it makes me feel so sad for parents of any missing child

I fully admit I don't 'get' the ins and outs of the actual investigation. Becaue I'm not part of it.

But sympathy for people who have lost their child seems to me to be a basic response.

But I have a feeling that this may be going the way of specualtion re the parents, and I really have no wish to be part of that either.

Here here I have better things to do (I knew I shouldn't have allowed myself to get sucked in)

That was here here to Marne btw

but the parents lied about events. They said that the shutters had been forced open when there was never any evidence of this having happened. If you went out and left your back door unlocked and someone came in and stole all your property, you wouldn't be insured because you had not taken steps to ensure nobody could get in. Yes it would still be wrong that someone had come into your house, but by leaving the back door open you are putting your possessions at greater risk. Similarly if you go out and leave your children unattended and leave the doors unlocked, you are putting those children at greater risk, not only of someone else coming into the apartment, (and let's face it robbery in holiday resorts is not uncommon, so there is definitely a risk to your property if not to your children,), but also at greater risk of them being able to wander out and come to harm on the road/in the swimming pool for instance.

And if the parents could lie about that, then what else have they lied about?

I also think that there are different forms of sympathy. In terms of their child being missing, possibly dead, yes of course I have sympathy, and wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy, but in terms of the argument that it could happen to anyone else, I do not sympathise with that argument because no, it could not happen to anyone, because most responsible parents don't leave their children unattended in a ground floor apartment in a foreign country, with no babysitting, no baby listening, no way of knowing if they're alright, while they go out for dinner.

very honest well put post wannabe