Fox Hunting

[Uhu]

Tally Ho!

I am also anti hunting, never really understood why chasing and killing animals is considered to be fun. Saying that though I have a fox in my neighbourhood that likes to dig up my plants for fun and at times I wouldn't mind teaching hikm a lesson!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously though I am more concerned about the rise of fur in fashion, I remember seeing it condemned etc as a teenager/uni student and now it is all the rage again. Unfortunately principles have no place in fashion!

I'm with you yingers, I have to say that pretty much all the animal rights issues, fur is one close to my heart. Along with vivisection

Does no-one find it alarming that people felt so strongly about this that they stormed Parliament but no-one seemed to feel the same way about going to an illegal war on Iraq??

Sorry if that's changing the subject a bit. For my tuppence worth on the actual issue itself I'm sure there are still ways of hunts going ahead without poor wee foxy being on the receiving end. Don't they already have people who can lay down trails so that the dogs will hunt anyway?

Why do you eat them then NdeP? Not having a go just interested. If that is an issue so close to your heart should you not be acting on it?

I , like the gruffalo, amd rather partial to a bit of raosted fox.

you need this book then

The Curiosities of Food By Peter Lund Simmonds with an intro. By Alan Davidson, Author of The Oxford Companion to Food. People are perennially surprised ? sometimes horrified ? by what they regard as the strange foods of other people. This is as true today as it was in 1859, when The Curiosities of Food was first published. Containing everything from the familiar frog?s legs to such items as reindeer tongue, iguana eggs, fox pie, and bear paws, The Coriosities of Food was the first attempt at a serious global study of the animals we eat. Now this lost culinary treasure is available again in this charming facsimile edition.Ten Speed Press © 2001 ISBN: 1-58008-297-1 400 pp. Hardcover Stock # TS001. $16.95

Eating animals & the fur trade ?? Firstly, I'm not in the habit of eating mink, bear etc. I am not a vegetarian, as already clarified. I believe in the humane killing of animals for food, I don't believe that an animal should be trapped and killed or maimed (as with a lot of cosmetic testing) in the name of fashion or beauty.

Yes, I wear leather shoes, but the cow has
a) been reared for the purpose of providing food.
b) The hide is a pretty much a by-product. The animal is primarily killed for meat, it makes sense to use as much of the animal as we can.

CD, my original post, which you questioned me on should have read...

"I'm with you yingers, I have to say that of pretty much all the animal rights issues, fur is the one closest to my heart. Along with vivisection."

It doesn't make a huge difference, but just clearing up a typo....

fox pie!

dogs love rolling in fox shit doncha know?

Re. war in iraq - what has this got to do with fox hunting?

The only thing I thought about the storming into parliament is how on earth did they do it? surely security measures are put in place to stop this happening. they could have been terrorists and I would have thought after the blue powder incident that security had been stepped up there

there is a pub on the A14 that has FOX FOOD wrote on the roof, maybe they sell fox pie

Speculation is growing that they received help from people already working inside the commons. Visions of old Tory backwoodsmen who've forgotten to die, playing cloak and dagger leading these protestors through corridors and chambers spring to mind. The mind boggles.

vict17, I should have said "were probably also responsible" but I bet money that I'm not wide of the mark.

I'm not a snob, as someone else mentioned but you can't hide the fact that fox-hunting was the sport of the aristocracy when the monarchy ruled the roost and kept the plebicites in their place.

I prefer the society we live in now as we strive to move, albeit slowly, to a meritocracy and if to achieve that we do away with old customs that serve no function than for people to dress up, ride on horses screaming "Tally ho!", and then smear their faces with blood after the fox has been ripped to shreds, then so be it. When slavery was abolished, the ruling classes were up in arms over it because it would mean that their only source of free labour would disappear. I don't believe anybody would disagree with that decision.

As for my comment about 4x4 drivers trading them in for mini-cabs, well yes, it was facetious but lets face it, many of those people employed in fox-hunting won't really fall on hard times. Not like those people whose jobs in call centres are being transferred to India. If the rest of society has to accept that the notion of job for life no longer exists, why shouldn't the fox-hunting lobby?

Hear hear Uhu. Didn't see them marching on London to save the miners' or the steelworkers' ways of life.

Ladywallopofcod, I can't concentrate on this thread for laughing at your comments

erm.... I think a stablehand gets paid considerably less than someonewho works in a call centre, and doesn't have transferable skills like a call centre worker has....

I would have thought that stable hands are as capable of re-training as anyone else.

What transferable skills have call-centre workers got, apart from the admirable ability not to swear at all the lunatics who ring them up and swear at them?

gump I want fox pie
I mean they could have intensivley reared foxes adn then the animal libbers could free thema nd they can runa round themselves killlign vermin adn we can all lose the red jacketed folk

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MB - a stablehand might not be IT literate for example, a call centre worker could be a receptionist, work in customer service elsewhere etc. Lots more transferable skills IMO

have only skimmed so forgive me please:

find men in red coats shouting tally-ho pretty odious, but my overiding feeling on this issue is what the f*ck is tb doing wasting parliamentary time on something that wasn't even frigging well in his manifesto! it's such an obvious sop to the islington (no offence anyone) mafia and makes me boil with fury when he should be dealing with any number of more important things that he promised us and has not delivered on! argh

sorry cd just realised my post will piss you off as it's political rather than solely focussed on foxhunting: but the two are inextricably linked imo at this time.

vict17, stablehands do not have transferable skills? Mmmm, I think not! Surely they have to communicate orally? I'm sure many of them can also write. Those are transferable skills. They have to take instructions which means listening and comprehension skills. They have to know the quantity of horses in their care, amount of feed to administer etc. So they have some accounting skills. They have to keep stables clean, tidy etc so they have organisational and planning skills. They have to put up with the pompous bleatings of overweight muppets who won't accept that their backsides are too wide for a dainty horse. So they have patience, understanding, tolerance,negotiation and foresight, other transferable skills. I think stablehands are more skilled than you give them credit for.

I thought it was in the manifesto, and that's why they're pushing it through?
Can't say I've been following it that carefully though!

Uhu - I said "Lots more transferable skills IMO" not that they didn't have any!!!!!!

I know I sound like a selfish cow (praps because I am) but if someone near and dear to me or really any other human had something wrong with them that needed treatment with drugs that have been or are tested on animals I would say test away - don't think it right for mascara and stuff but I look at humans as being above animals - mind you I don't like to think of the public hurting animals for no reason - god I am going round and round in circles!!

DP says that he finds the great unwashed tree living protester far more repulsive than the thought of a fox being ripped to bits - especially after he saw one chomping on his dear boyhood friendly rabbit!!

Wear leather - only shoes though not basques and stuff and eat meat - love it actually am missing nice juicy rare steak at the mo!!