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Floods - it's because we are all SINNERS!! supposedly...

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UnquietDad · 01/07/2007 12:09

For dog's sake... and they wonder why people say the church is out of touch...

article here

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MellowMa · 01/07/2007 18:00

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Aloha · 01/07/2007 18:22

He did specifically mention the laws outlawing discrimination against gay people, actually.
"The sexual orientation regulations [which give greater rights to gays] are part of a general scene of permissiveness. We are in a situation where we are liable for God's judgment, which is intended to call us to repentance."

What an awful person.
And it makes me laugh, Soho is lovely and dry, while Yorkshire is awash. I honestly don't think Yorkshire villages are leading the way to Sodom, somehow.

Pan · 01/07/2007 18:29

ho-hum..the Telegraph is directly linking "pro-gayness" to the floods, not the Bishop doing that.
He is probably a very nice man. Just mistaken.

kimi · 01/07/2007 18:37

ooooooh did gaypride get washed away then???

Better call some of my friends make sure they were not washed away!!

CatIsSleepy · 01/07/2007 18:59

pan you are v. tolerant of doddery old religious fools for some reason!

Aloha · 01/07/2007 19:01

Funny, I don'tthink people who find gay people so disgusting that they think God is murdering random people in order to punish 'us' for letting them have equal rights with the rest of us, are 'nice' at all.
And I wonder what kind of God he worships that randomly murders 28 year old blokes mending their grandfather's drain etc for a 'crime' committed by other people.

Pan · 01/07/2007 19:44

hang on..WTF are we on about here,friends??!!

Please read anywhere 'floods = gay peoples'. Ref. to punishments for lifestyles etc, I read as weather patterns for unfettered consumerism/CO2.....

let's say "Discriminatory views-bad, floods bad

and yeah? Why AM I being so tolerant of dizzy old religeous folk??!! Down with that sort of thing! For all I know he could be a right nasty bastard.

Greensleeves · 01/07/2007 19:47

ROFL at fmv, you've just made me snort coke (diet coke, natch)

CatIsSleepy · 01/07/2007 20:14

but if he was simply talking about environmental issues/behaviour why bring even bring sexual orientation legislation into it? why even mention it? i would like to believe he's not being deeply unpleasant but somehow I can't.

Pan · 01/07/2007 20:22

cat - there is no evidence he was mixing the two. The editor has done that. To help sell more papers. And we spend time talking about it. Look at the quotes....none of them are indictable for "gayness = floods"...but this is the v. last time I'll point this out...it seems to spoil other people's day.

CatIsSleepy · 01/07/2007 20:25

i assume that means the bishop of carlisle will be suing the telegraph for libel then?
that would be a laugh actually...wouldn't want either of them to win...

Aloha · 01/07/2007 20:27

Pan, surely you couldn't have not read a post properly?
The Bishop said: "The sexual orientation regulations [which give greater rights to gays] are part of a general scene of permissiveness. We are in a situation where we are liable for God's judgment, which is intended to call us to repentance."

A clear and explicit link - in his own words - between the laws giving equal rights to gay people and 'God's judgement', which in this case means the flooding.

Pan · 01/07/2007 20:32

"which in this case means the flooding. "

exactly!! No it doesn't. Where does it say this??

Too many other things to do. Offski.

Aloha · 01/07/2007 20:47

I think you must be being deliberately provocative because you must have read the report carefully and it is is very clear.

"The Rt Rev Graham Dow, Bishop of Carlisle, argued that the floods are not just a result of a lack of respect for the planet, but also a judgment on society's moral decadence.

"This is a strong and definite judgment because the world has been arrogant in going its own way," he said. "We are reaping the consequences of our moral degradation, as well as the environmental damage that we have caused."

The bishop, who is a leading evangelical, said that people should heed the stories of the Bible, which described the downfall of the Roman empire as a result of its immorality.

"We are in serious moral trouble because every type of lifestyle is now regarded as legitimate," he said.

"In the Bible, institutional power is referred to as 'the beast', which sets itself up to control people and their morals. Our government has been playing the role of God in saying that people are free to act as they want," he said, adding that the introduction of recent pro-gay laws highlighted its determination to undermine marriage.

"The sexual orientation regulations [which give greater rights to gays] are part of a general scene of permissiveness. We are in a situation where we are liable for God's judgment, which is intended to call us to repentance."

He expressed his sympathy for those who have been hit by the weather, but said that the problem with "environmental judgment is that it is indiscriminate".

What's not to understand? Also he has plenty of homophobic form, both over the recent equality legislation and Bishop Jeffrey John.

Pan · 01/07/2007 20:51

no Aloha - you are stitching sentences together, providing your very own links. I am not arsed to be saying this anymore. Good night.

Pan · 01/07/2007 20:51

no Aloha - you are stitching sentences together, providing your very own links. I am not arsed to be saying this anymore. Good night.

Aloha · 01/07/2007 20:53

It's a direct, unedited, cut and paste from the linked telegraph report actually - which you might have realised had you had proper 'reading and comprehension' skills.
I thought you were 'offski' (god help us)

Pan · 01/07/2007 20:59

no - Aloha, it isn't (again). It's reproducing from an item, that has itself been edited already.

Lets agree to be friends and never "see" each other on these boards, eh?

Aloha · 01/07/2007 21:02

I despair, I honestly do.

bozza · 01/07/2007 21:05

I agree with some of it though:

-The Rt Rev Richard Chartres, Bishop of London, said: "We are all part of the problem and part of the solution. Instead of living as if we owned the earth we need to recover a sense of being participants in a web of life with responsibilities to other life forms and to our children."

Open to interpretation I suppose but I take this as relating to global warming, concreting flood plains etc. As I despair about how I am going to do my shopping, buy birthday presents, holiday gear etc, when Retail World in Rotherham (my work lunchtime haunt) is closed for two weeks.

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