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Floods - it's because we are all SINNERS!! supposedly...

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UnquietDad · 01/07/2007 12:09

For dog's sake... and they wonder why people say the church is out of touch...

article here

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FlamingTomatoes · 01/07/2007 12:31

They won't defend it at all - without coffeee mornings, all their roofs will never get repaired

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UnquietDad · 01/07/2007 12:32

I bet quite a few churches and chuirch halls and vicarages got ruined in the floods too. Barmy.

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Quattrocento · 01/07/2007 12:32

So does that make the people in Sheffield, Doncaster and Hull the Biggest Sinners?

Hulababy · 01/07/2007 12:33

Quattrocento - would appear so.

Quattrocento · 01/07/2007 12:37

Hurrah. DH is a Yorkshireman. From Sheffield. I shall tease him all through lunch. Bit unfair really considering he made it, but it's just too good an opportunity. Thanks UD.

foxinsocks · 01/07/2007 12:53

I love the picture with that article. The combination of the grin and the crook make him look like some evil villain from Dr Who.

(incidentally, do you read iain dale's blog then UnquietDad?)

Pan · 01/07/2007 12:56

hang on..read it carefully? Nowhere DOES he relate floods to soddom and gomorragh.........cynical journalism linked to sloppy reading......

but a good chance to get all holier-than-thou....

edam · 01/07/2007 14:14

I didn't think anyone said he did relate them to Soddom and Gomorrah but he did link them to the new laws against discrimination against gay people. And capitalism.

singingmum · 01/07/2007 14:22

Thanks for the reminder on why I gave up religion for good.Am now looking for people carrying signs reading
'The end of the world is nigh' LOL

MrsBigD · 01/07/2007 14:29

Ha, we're all DOOMED I tell ya!

As for Leading Figures... ah well but they're zealots aren't they otherwise they wouldn't be the leading figures in church

We're save though, same as chirpy

ArkBuilderNoah · 01/07/2007 14:31

well, if you're all really nice to me, I'll let you on my big boat

MrsBigD · 01/07/2007 14:32

no thanks I take my chances on our hill, I get sea sick

charliecat · 01/07/2007 14:34

Would I be wrong in thinking the floods are because...er it rained a lot, and er...because weve concreted over a lot of the land, and it can sink back into the ground the lay it might have once upon a time?

MrsScavo · 01/07/2007 14:36

This rain is not right, I tell you, it's jsut not right!

CatIsSleepy · 01/07/2007 14:38

better repent MrsScavo while there's still time...

MrsScavo · 01/07/2007 14:41

I live ohalf way up a hil, ha ha ha ha!

And I'm not gay, so surely I'll be fine.

Maybe I'm the modern day Mrs Noah.

throckenholt · 01/07/2007 14:43

seems to me that being Christian didn't help the Roman Empire either.

He has got a point that the decadence of the late captalist system is reminicent of the late Roman Empire which sort of imploded through late of good government. But I have no idea how that can be the cause of persistent high pressure over Europe which is causing the low pressure systems to grind to a halt over us.

throckenholt · 01/07/2007 14:44

lack not late !

Pan · 01/07/2007 15:23

I know it's unfashionable to look at what has been said, but......again...look at the quotes, NOT 'editors' lead up to them....is capitalism mentioned?? Does he say anywhere, "the laws on anti-discrimination have led to the floods in S. Yorks." or anywhere else???........

ho-hum.

CatIsSleepy · 01/07/2007 16:16

pan the bishop of carlisle said

"The sexual orientation regulations [which give greater rights to gays] are part of a general scene of permissiveness. We are in a situation where we are liable for God's judgment, which is intended to call us to repentance."

as well as

"We are reaping the consequences of our moral degradation, as well as the environmental damage that we have caused."

the implication appears to be is that western immorality including new laws on gay rights etc is in some way responsible for damage to the environment leading to floods etc.

what do you think he is saying?

the other bishops seem to be making an environmental argument re western profligacy (ie I assume wastefulness of fuel over-exploitation of natural resources, general degradation of our own environment etc ) in which case they have some kind of point...although the argument that God is "exposing us to the truth of what we have done" is hard to stomach.

but to conflate this issue with general immorality and sexual orientation/behaviour and legislation relating to such matters a la bishop of carlisle is the kind of evangelical, old testament hateful nonsense that gives religion a bad name.

seanbon · 01/07/2007 16:18

wow,just got back from spain and it was glorious!!They must be very good over there

Peachy · 01/07/2007 16:23

God senta rianbow to remind us of his promise not to send another flood- that's what the boys repeat from school lessons

or as the Bible puts it

[11] And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

[12] And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:

[13] I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.

[14] And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:

[15] And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.

[16] And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.

Pan · 01/07/2007 16:26

indeed cat. I read it as the lives we lead and the lifestyles ARE damaging to the environment...and indeed may be causing severe fluctuations in weather......eco-scientists v. largely agree on that.

He does say that sexual permissiveness DOES invite God's judgement. Yes. Dodgy, but yes.

But indicating that it all adds up to sexual permissiveness and floods in S.Yorks being the result is so clearly mistaken. Read what's in the quotes as stand-alones, rather than cut and pasting them togther, or relying on the editor for interpretation.

Spain...well it IS a good Catholic country......

CatIsSleepy · 01/07/2007 16:36

but pan this is what he said
"This is a strong and definite judgment because the world has been arrogant in going its own way. We are reaping the consequences of our moral degradation, as well as the environmental damage that we have caused."

if the "this" he is referring to at the start of his sentence if the flooding then he is actually saying, more or less, that
floods in S.Yorks are the result of sexual permissiveness.

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UnquietDad · 01/07/2007 16:41

It's like "God's Cop" James Anderton all over again, with his "sea of filth".

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