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The government doctors advice has changed now it is NO alcohol in pregnancy ane when trying to conceive at all

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zippitippi · 25/05/2007 06:33

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early alcohol can damage the egg and cause miscarriage and facial deformities, later it can cause a spectrum of brain damage and low birth weight

so the new advice is abstinence

this brings this country into line with eg the US

interestingly obstetricians are sticking with 1 to 2 units a week

times online

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IcingOnTheCake · 27/05/2007 21:11

I have known women who have continued to drink and smoke through pregnancy. One womans child was 'slow' and had learning difficulties, she hadn't drunk any alcohol with her first and he is quite bright. It may be just a coinsedance but it is more likely the alcohol had affect on his brain. She drank loads though, not just the odd 'drink' here and there.

mylittleimps · 27/05/2007 21:13

have i? (apart from telling kittylette well done which perhaps i shouldn't if it's darkened what i was trying to say ) i was just trying to give my point of how i dealt with my pgs and i do firmly believe about it. but at the same time i did try and show that i have gone against the advise given by the medics wrt my babies and pg

so despite trying my best i had hard pgs - with second i went into premature labour and was given the steroid injection (very much didn't want it but said yes as it was the best thing for baby) labour stopped and i felt guilty for having it!! and then i was promptly found to have gest. diabetes (i'm the right weight for my build etc etc lol). i refused vit.k for baby at each birth and had a phyisological 3rd stage with each. this in addition to what i said before about no scans etc. first labour was over 30hours and only would have gas and air as baby was fine throughout. i didn't go round to my mothers house as she still smoked at the time and she had to change her clothes to hold my ds's when she came round to my house!

but that's me, perhaps i'm a fool...i'm in no way perfect in terms of motherhood and would never profess to be.

mylittleimps · 27/05/2007 21:14

my last post was in response to Marls001's question

SenoraPostrophe · 27/05/2007 21:14

none of us have any issue with the advice to drink only small amounts, IOTC. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that drinking lots while pregnant is very bad indeed for your baby. But there is little to no evidence to suggest that small amounts of alcohol are damaging.

IcingOnTheCake · 27/05/2007 21:15

Although i don't see why it is nessesery to drink any alcohol whilst your pregnant. Women bf their babies to give them the best possible start in life health wise, so why shouldn't that start when the baby is in the womb?

SenoraPostrophe · 27/05/2007 21:15

...it does.

plummymummy · 27/05/2007 21:18

Just a thought but maybe intellectually challenged mothers should stop drinking alcohol completely during pg since if brain cells are in short supply, it makes sense to preserve what is there . I wonder if the government would like to issue advice on this? I also wonder what percentage of the population it would apply to. Not that it should matter, since if the government issues guidelines which are aimed at only 9% of the population.........

IcingOnTheCake · 27/05/2007 21:20

But surely if there are people saying that drinking alcohol no matter how little could cause damage to your baby then surely you would not drink alcohol at all? Even if the people saying it didn't have much evidence, it's better not to take the risk right?

GiantSquirrelSpotter · 27/05/2007 21:20

I hope none of you drank any of those chemical-containing fizzy drinks

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GiantSquirrelSpotter · 27/05/2007 21:22

"But surely if there are people saying that drinking alcohol no matter how little could cause damage to your baby"

Er... it depends on who those people are, Icing, and what their agenda is.

If there is anyone saying it, then they are not basing what they are saying on any evidence.

mylittleimps · 27/05/2007 21:23

agree wit=th icingonthecake

  • Senora i know how one glass of wine affects me and research shows what affect small amounts of alcohol has on driving reaction times 9and that alcohol goes straight into the bloodstream) so why it is unreasonable to accept that it will affect a new, developing brain - not necessarily terribly, but to me just a little isn't worth it.
mylittleimps · 27/05/2007 21:23

by my typing this evening i could be accused of having had a glass or two

IcingOnTheCake · 27/05/2007 21:23

I still wouldn't wanna take the risk.

plummymummy · 27/05/2007 21:26

Personally, Icing, I really don't think you should.

IcingOnTheCake · 27/05/2007 21:26

Better safe than sorry

Genidef · 27/05/2007 21:28

I hosted a whisky tasting night before I knew I was pregnant - my night consisted of at least 8 (most certainly not wee) drams, plus a few bottles of wine afterwards in various fag smoke ridden bars. Whoops.

Marls001 · 27/05/2007 21:33

Mylittleimps ... it was "those that are properly educated and researched and are not selfish .." im;lying that anyone who didn't become a teetotaler was, in fact, selfish.

You seem like a really nice person. You really do. And no one can help what happens to them in their pg as you described.

It's just that there are as many approaches to motherhood as there are mothers.

Some pg mothers feel less stressed when they know they are following Dr.'s advice as strictly as possible. They feel more relaxed just knowing that - just in case - there wasn't a drop inside them. My sister is of this category. I love you all dearly. That is how you have to do it for yourselves. That is what works for you, and it is valid.

Others of us felt extremely justified by the stresses of our pg to indulge in just one or two drinks per week - to make us feel like we were actual people and not just incubators. To make us feel less stressed thereby. We knew there was no evidence that this could be harmful to our unborn children. From years and years of anecdotal evidence, from our own policing of ourselves, we KNEW. Otherwise we would have NEVER drunk ANYTHING.

Just as some peope know that Jesus was resurrected and others know that God does not exist - this few drinks/no drink topic is related, I believe, in that for some people there is no evidence, while for others, there is. Until it can be proven in more than one study that yes, two 12-oz beers per week ARE harmful, then yours will continue to be as unwinnable an argument as trying to convince a true atheist to "open his heart."

But the bottom line is really this: We're playing for the same team. We're all mothers. We all happen to do things differently. Some of us are left-handed batters and we still have a good swing. I do not beleive that if someone dislikes the gym that she is in any way "selfish." Even though I did that part perfectly.

I cannot believe that. I have no right to believe that.

corblimeymadam · 27/05/2007 21:34

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Genidef · 27/05/2007 21:37

Belgianbun, we are two years into things now. Could one start panicking that a bit of an issue with speech is related to it? There's something about suggesting that which feels strangely...narcissistic. If only I had done xyz, then my child would be PERFECT in ALL WAYS. You know what I mean?

plummymummy · 27/05/2007 21:39

Oh and if we're talking about unprotected sex I sincerely hope everyone has frog marched their partner down to the local clap clinic before indulging. It's just not worth the risk

corblimeymadam · 27/05/2007 21:42

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plummymummy · 27/05/2007 21:45

My son must be a freak of nature. 10 on apgar score at birth and 9 1bs 3 oz. Can't understand it considering I drank one or two units of alcohol a week during the 2nd and 3rd trimester

corblimeymadam · 27/05/2007 21:46

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GiantSquirrelSpotter · 27/05/2007 21:47

Oh boy, you are a phenomenal uber-mum. You remember your child's AGPAR score.

I'd forgotten such a thing even existed

GiantSquirrelSpotter · 27/05/2007 21:48

Oops it's not even agpar it's apgar

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