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MADELEINE MCCANN - News Updates (please try not to argue)

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MrsSpoon · 16/05/2007 19:05

The old thread takes too long to load.

Lets hope this is the one that contains the good news that she has been found alive and well.

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imaginaryfriend · 27/05/2007 19:28

However I realise that part of the debate has been done to death so I'm not opening it up again!

mylittleimps · 27/05/2007 19:48

I have to respond - you just need to look at the responses Xenia gets most of the time, she is normally way off the mark. i look forward to whether or not children of 2 and 3 or 4 being left alone being a topic of debate once Madeleine is found as it needs debating when people are still making comments as Xenia does.

imaginaryfriend · 27/05/2007 19:51

I don't get your point there, sorry. I'm not familiar with responses Xenia gets or whether you're supporting what she said or not. Sorry.

mylittleimps · 27/05/2007 19:57

definately not supporting XEnia's comments but don't want to open the debate up as i'll get crucified on here at this time,

waiting for the right time and then the debate can be had, looking forward to it Xenia

toomuchtodo · 27/05/2007 20:04

mylittleimps, I know exactly what you're on about and I have been crucified on mn for saying it

maybe the debate will be held one day, but also I doubt MN is the place to have it, doesn't seem to represent a broad x section of parents to me

mylittleimps · 27/05/2007 20:15

the self appointed MN Gestapo will now probably be bumping this thread into obilivion. they seem to rule with bullyboy tactics, perhaps they are re-living their playground days?

personally whilst a child is missing and poeple make the comments such as Xenia (sorry but she sticks in my mind) do i think it would be helpful for all parents to be able to discuss the parenting decisions as adults especially as the parents have now said that they will always feel guilty and i can't believe MN isn't appropraite to do that if it there to help parents.

Judy1234 · 27/05/2007 20:19

Anything can be discussed. Start a risk thread. Namby pamby look after children all the time parents who don't let them go out alone, run in forests, ride horses and risk death damage their children hugely.

mum2oliver · 27/05/2007 20:22

Where can I buy a madeleine ribbon please?
Have been on the website and cannot see how.Im sure its obvious but pretty tired.

ludaloo · 27/05/2007 20:25

I'm not a namby pamby parent by any means but I have 3 children all under 5 and until I feel they can sufficiently look after themselves I shall be doing the looking after bit myself. There is letting your kids "learn themselves" and there is "parental neglect"

This is a direct response to Xenia's comment by the way...no way a reflection of my thoughts about the McCanns.

Wolfgirl · 27/05/2007 20:30

A little bit old this news, but just for the record:

Robert Murats ex-wife defends him

mylittleimps · 27/05/2007 20:31

as it's not appropraite to discuss on this thread and in response to Xenia's comment i have started this thread, it is no way aimed at being critical to anyone's parenting it is aimed at being a civil discussion for parents to understand other parents decisions

www.mumsnet.com/Talk?topicid=67&threadid=330320&stamp=070527202706

if this doesn't work it's under parenting threads

we'll see how long that one lasts!

Wolfgirl · 27/05/2007 20:49

OK, am climbing off the fence for a min or two. Imparting some nostalgia here, which really does show my age.

Xenia, I kind of agree with you my dear. I grew up in the days whereby latchkey kids were one a penny. Im trying to recall the exact age I first went up the 'short' Avenue to the park. No...cant be done! I do remember though playing in the back alley, around other kids gardens and running up the Avenue, at a very young age, maybe 5, 6ish. I also remember walking to school on my own from a young age - 7 years. And to get to school, was one of two routes. 1st - through said mentioned park which had an outdoor swimming pool (oh those were the days), or 2nd the jolly long way round on the road (pavement). We always chose the park.

I was a coppers daughter, and I can only imagine (cant ask, cos poor man is dead now) that things must have been very diff. back then. And dad being a copper was very integral part of the community - and would have privvy info to such things as Peodo's etc. To allow us to go alone, must have meant that he/people back then, felt it was safe.

Often when we (me and sis) were a bit older, maybe 10 ish, we had to go home to an empty house cos mum had to do a few hours extra working (she was nurse) and dad was still on shift, we just made our selves comfy, raided the pantry/larder and watched Little house on the Prairie LOL

I do have to say, that there was an unsavoury occassion that happened right on our doorstep. At the age of 14. I think. OUr back garden overlooked the end house/side of at the start of the back Avenue I mentioned. Turns out there was a peodo living there, but he was interested in older kids, 10 years plus that he would lust after. He passed me discusting material one day which of course I past to dad. the police swooped all over his house. was quite exciting for a 14 year old to watch - accept I was a very young, naive (very naive) 14 year old, and it never did bother me. Im not sure thinking on, I realised what was going on. In those days he would have just been called a pervert. I didnt know of peodo's.

So, you see. Becaue of technology, media etc we are exposed and made aware of such things that whlst they did exist, we knew very little of. And so people did feel safer. Kids did walk to school on their own.

What would I do today? would I let my kids walk to school on their own? I would have to know a few things first; 1. my kids ability to avoid/recognise trouble 2. the route to school etc. If I think they will be as naive as me, then no, I would not allow them to journey to school until I was comfortable.

At the end of the day, each child is different. The environment they grow up in different, and a parents outlook/view is different.

I do feel sad, that my kids may not be able to explore the woods like I did; climb trees like I did; run around in the foundations of a soon to be new housing estate; scrump for apples; go fishing on their own with a net and come back to show me their catch....the way I did, without mum or dad watching over them. I think that is very sad, but there we are.... these are the times we live in.

fin54 · 27/05/2007 21:17

I would like to ask just one question here about what you would and wouldn't do.

  1. Would you leave your holiday money lying on the bed in the apartment and go out?
  2. Would you leave your passport and jewellery lying in the apartment and go out.
  3. Or would you rent a security box and lock them up SAFELY. I know what I do with my valuables. And children are the most valuable things in the world. Ask anyone who can't have them.
Judy1234 · 27/05/2007 21:38

As far as I can remember we always locked the sleeping children in but I wouldn't if I were eating the garden of a villa.

On the old days I think children out and about were at greater risk in the 1880s than today and are safer now. Secondly most children are harmed by parents, siblings and step parents and the least safe you can be sadly in the Uk in 2007 is with your family.

We played out as children as do mine. My mother used to warn us about the fashers in the local park/wood area and sometimes we saw them. She said run away as we did but also telling them how small it was often made it deflate. That was flashers who I think tend to want to expose themselves to women more than children. We never got the chance to use her deflation line. You might be right though that may be people knew better who were the ones to watch as people knew everyone else better in those days. I still think the risk is small today and the steps you take to avoid risk can sometimes go to far in stifling child freedom.

Clarinet60 · 28/05/2007 13:15

Excellent post, fin54.
This thread should be bumped & bumped just so that post can be re-read. Nobody in their right mind leaves a wallet in their unlocked apartment and goes out. Nobody in their right mind locks a child in an apartment and goes out - fire risk.

Just last week in a village 2 miles from me a man tried to entice a little girl into his car by saying 'come and look at this'. Thankfully, she ran away and the police circulated his description to all schools in the area. This type of thing is more common than we'd like to believe but luckily, most cases are near misses.

TaylorsMummy · 28/05/2007 14:18

oh god i read something horrible about robert murat having child porn on his computer and links to other 'depraved' websites article says that gerry mccann knows about it but didn't want to know the details but kate mccann has not been told.i can't get over the witness sighting of a man matching his description carrying a little girl that night.so frustrating.

mumof2monsters · 28/05/2007 14:43

I cannot really comprehend how no-one has come forward with any real details regarding this case. There is a huge reward out there and someone somewhere must know something. If she is being held somewhere in an apartment are there neighbours nearby? Madeleine's posters must be all over the place by now. Surely who ever has got here must be going out to get food etc or getting someone else to get things for them. Let's hope that there is news soon because the longer this goes on the more I think she may never be found and that itself is just to hard to imagine.

Judy1234 · 28/05/2007 14:45

Did the man seen taking her match murat's description?

Also just because he has child porn on his computer doesn't mean he put it there and doesn't mean even he did that he took her just to be technical about it although it doesn't look good.

mumof2monsters · 28/05/2007 14:46

it is so frustrating in some ways that the portugese have these secrecy laws because if they had revealed the description they had weeks ago someone may have spotted that person.
I cannot help thinking that in this country a description would have been issued immediately. Look at the case of baby alex griffiths that was taken from her mother in hospital 17 years ago. She was missing for 17 days but people had a description and the public were aware and that is how they found the woman that had taken her. I just wish someone would spot something suspicious and report it.

Judy1234 · 28/05/2007 14:48

Can't the McCann's get a UK artist to do a photofit and issue it here? The woman who saw her taken is in the UK and they could speak to the person who thinks they saw her at the port too.

mumof2monsters · 28/05/2007 14:49

Xenia-I think that the description they have could match any man out there as it was from the back and not face on. How many men are there that are white, 5ft 10 ins with short brown hair which is slightly longer at the back. Also the clothing he was wearing have probably been destroyed by now.
I agree about Robert Murat though and just because he had porn on his computer (presumably) does not mean he took madeleine. If he had taken Madeleine I feel he may have caved in now with all the pressure and publicity

mumof2monsters · 28/05/2007 14:51

Yes I agree. I know that if it was my child I would be doing everything that I could. I do feel that the police out there do not seem to be doing enough. There just seems to be no real leads. What are they doing day in day out. Surely if the public knew more they could help. ie: spot anything suspicious etc. Something to me just does not seem to add up but cannot explain why I think that

Minniethemoocher · 28/05/2007 21:16

It seems to me that the Portuguese law is a criminal's charter!

I really cannot understand why they didn't issue an e-fit or description of the man sooner.

Minnie

TaylorsMummy · 28/05/2007 21:55

i can't bear the thought of these bastards getting away with this.that description is too much like robert murat for my liking.it's not good at all,this.the child porn stuff is horrible enough in itself,everything is pointing to him,his ex and her hubby.i feel sickened by it.

Wolfgirl · 29/05/2007 15:20

Not seen much news about the investigation recently, but here is something:

Brits Follow Cell Phone Signals in Hunt for Madeleine

The article also offers a bit more info about the progress being made to look for Madeleine.

Keep praying all! xx

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