What do people think is most likely to happen with the irish/UK Border Part 2.

[cathyclown]

OK I took it upon myself in my arrogance. Nah, just enjoyed all the views whether we agreed or not, it has been very interesting.

So carry on folks. Link below to the original thread.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/a3096781-What-do-people-think-is-most-likely-to-happen-with-the-Irish-UK-border?msgid=73760649#73760649

But he did say that a majority of people now think the govt is handling it v badly. That was a big change.

whosafraid my husband made the same mistake today mentioning Derek Davis! Derek Davis was an intelligent Irish broadcaster whereas David Davis...

It's all a bloody mess; as is the whole history of England /Great Britain in Ireland.

Abra1d I don't think that's quite right. Professor John Cutice reported this today:

Overall, there has been no significant recent shift in public opinion on whether Britain should leave the EU.

There has been a 2% swing in favour of Remain, Curtice said on Wednesday, with his latest findings producing a result of 53-47 in favour of Remain. However, this is virtually unchanged since February of this year.

It's from uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-voters-pessimistic-than-ever-but-still-want-it-to-happen-2017-12

Plus I think more Remainers will drag their arses to the polling station if there's a next time.

Oh sorry, i must have not heard it properly. Yes, I wonder if more would turn out?

I'll have a look on his twitter.

It was interesting to hear May saying today "we will leave the EU, we will leave the customs union, we will have no border with the Irish Republic and we will have exactly the same arrangements for NI as the rest of the UK ... and the details will be explained at Stage 2"

It stinks of "you are all stopping us getting on with it, of course we have a plan, we don't have to tell you our plan" - very childish.

I wouldn't be at all surprised by what you suggest whois. It doesn't excuse May going to the EU with a plan she couldn't possibly carry through

FaithHope
The real power-brokers within the EU want a deal, the UK side wants a deal. It is in nobody's economic interests for a deal to not be reached - & as with everything, it's all about the money & about power.
Who are these people?
What indication have they given that a deal is what they want?
Please refer to the willingness of the German automakers to go along with Russian sanctions despite taking a big financial hit for the team in your answer.

Today in the commons Lady Stlvia Herman made an important speech and immediately the DUP came back with "she's in the pocket of the Dublin Government."

All informed debate is shut down by the DUP in this way.

Meanwhile there are no Brexit impact assessments!

I despair!

Sylvia

May has all these ideas, but nothing has even been proposed to the Cabinet yet. That will take place in December. And no impact assessments have been made so the government couldn't possibly even know what it wants. (At least if it was a sane group of people it would not know what it wants until the impact has been predicted, but sadly these people are wild-eyed amateurs who are so clueless they don't have any idea of the scale of what they don't know, in the grips of tent-meeting fervour).

Meanwhile, the PM herself is pretty much irrelevant.

So the impact assessments have gone from 'fully detailed', to 'high level' to not existing.

I'm guessing the results really were too bad to publish.

mobile.twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/935437491691278337

Twitter thread from David Lammy on the timeline of the ‘impact assessments’.

At this point Davis might be hoping they had fired Green so he could follow up his threat to resign.

This had me cracking up laughing this am. Lighthearted for a serious topic ‪Do They Know Its Brexit Time At All? - Gift Grub www.todayfm.com/podcasts/81100/Do-They-Know-It%26%2339%3Bs-Brexit-Time-At-All---Gift-Grub via @todayfm‬

Once again I am having a Sudetenland moment. Communities ‘stuck’ in geopolitical areas. Always dangerous ☹️

I would like to see a referendum in NI on "should NI have special status" after Brexit.

I think there would be a massive majority for "yes".

Foster doesn't have majority support; in fact given the two options "hard border with Ireland" and "special status" I'd be prepared to bet she doesn't even have majority Unionist support.

Obviously special status would have to be defined, and would probably include goods checks at a sea border, and a "seamless" people check (those with Irish and UK passports go through a special lane with electronic checks only). Of course the DUP as they currently stand would reject this; everyone else might be relatively happy.

it is ironic that London, for instance, would probably love the special status deal. So would Oxford, where I live. Or Birmingham where my daughter is.

Yes, and I think that's why May didn't talk to Foster about it before (allegedly) going to agree it with the EU.

My assumption is that she thought if she could get it all agreed it might just go through. Foster could kick up, but it would be too late, the rest of the UK could kick up, but it would be too late. The EU would have agreed to move on to the next phase (which is what the British government want) and "the details could be sorted out later".

Obviously had she talked to anyone at all she would have discovered pdq that the shit was about to hit the fan

Naivity, stupidity, or deliberately calculated to cause the maximum confusion? I don't know.