What do people think is most likely to happen with the irish/UK Border Part 2.

[cathyclown]

OK I took it upon myself in my arrogance. Nah, just enjoyed all the views whether we agreed or not, it has been very interesting.

So carry on folks. Link below to the original thread.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/a3096781-What-do-people-think-is-most-likely-to-happen-with-the-Irish-UK-border?msgid=73760649#73760649

Finallyhere I am a pharmacist. I really can't see how this is going to work from an ability to import medication. Safe medication produced under GMP conditions.

I really do think we will be travelling to Dublin to purchase medication unless there is a radical focusing of minds to find a solution.

Food and medicine need a robust traceability to ensure their safety and I just can't see it being in place in time if we walk away without an EU deal. Unfortunately I don't think an EU deal acceptable to the DUP is possible.

Yes, NotDavid, I think they do think they are going to get a free trade deal. What I don't understand is why they think that.

I mean, if the EU gives the UK a free trade deal, but not making them sign up to any other bits of the EU (freedom of movement for people, European Court of Human Rights, Health and Safety standards, to name but a few, what's to stop every other country doing the same.

We are back to the four freedoms - free movement of goods, service, people and capital - which must all be negotiated together. The UK doesn't want free movement of people or capital - they can't simply demand the other two.

In other words, they can't stay in the European Customs Union and within the European Free Trade Agreement but leave out the bits of the EU they don't like (like paying bills and letting EU citizens work in the UK. They also can't expect to stay within the EU Trade Agreement, Customs Union etc, and be free to make their own deals with other countries outside of EU agreements.

We are back to the UK expecting to have their cake and eat it - they are expecting the benefits of EU membership without any of the cost, and without any of the limitations.

Which brings me back to why? Why do they think they deserve such a deal? Imagine what the UK would be saying if Ireland had been offered such a deal. Or Portugal, or anywhere. They'd have vetoed it for sure.

Which brings me back to why? Why do they think they deserve such a deal?

Because they are British. They really do think that means an awful lot.

Oh give over on the anti-British rhetoric. Who are ‘they’? The nearly half of the population who voted Remain?

Oh give over on the anti-British rhetoric.
Where? If you think my pointing out that the people running the UK have some strange view of themselves and this country as innately special and entitled to power and ease is anti British, well, sorry, you're wrong. I'm just as British as them- the difference is, I don't think Britain is the glorious power they think it is, and I don't think that Britain has some sort of entitlement to whatever it wants on demand.

Who are ‘they’? The nearly half of the population who voted Remain?

Far less than half the population voted Remain .

You can't work out who 'they' are? Really? Who do you think is negotiating the British exit from the EU?

When I say "they" in that sentence, I mean the current British government and the Brexit negotiators. I'm pretty sure that's what everyone else means by "they".

They seem to think they can demand special treatment, but if Britain was still in, there is no way they would allow special treatment for any other country.

How about the hypocrisy of people I know in the UK who voted for Brexit and then applied for an Irish passport through a long lost granny so they are not inconvenienced when travelling to Europe on holiday. One actually said to me today ‘your lot are being a right pain holding up Brexit’

There will be some kind of technological solution to the border I should think.

I also think that it isn't as-big-a-deal as remainers would like it to be.

There will be some kind of technological solution to the border I should think.

Are people still peddling this shite. Do keep up, that was thrown out weeks ago.

I also think that it isn't as-big-a-deal as remainers would like it to be.

Yes, that's certainly what Theresa May is finding. Not a big deal at all.

Bossytits, what sort of technological solution?

Come on, give us a suggestion please. Just could one person who thinks this "isn't a big deal" come up with a suggestion of any sort that will be accepted by the government in London and by the DUP (without breaking the GFA).

We've been trying for weeks to come up with one, I would have thought the British government has been trying for months (though I'm beginning to doubt that). No-one has found one, so what is the basis of you thinking it's not a big deal?

Or are you one of the "it would all be ok if only the Irish would put up, shut up and do what we tell them" people?

Thanks for the invective..Always a sign you're not too sure of yourselves...

At the Swiss-German border that I have crossed many times, they manage without big tailbacks. I don't see why we couldn't have something similar.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/17/ireland-brexit-headache-border

It's not invective, it's pure frustration.

Posters keep popping up and saying "I'm sure there's an easy answer" but they never say what it is

Do I really have to say it again (1) Switzerland is in Schengen and (2) there are customs checks on the Swiss/German border.

It's nothing to do with tailbacks - as you would know if you either read the newspapers (not the tabloids, obviously) or RTFT. You could start by actually reading the article you linked to.

To explain in very simple language.

Britain is leaving the EU. There will be a hard border between the EU and Britain. So the border will be like the one described in your link between Croatia and Bosnia.

The only reason it's not the same between Germany and Switzerland is that Switzerland is in Schengen, which Britain has refused to join.

So you have completely contradicted your own argument.

I'm sorry you feel the need to be so rude and hostile toward others that don't share your pessimism view Maryz ...

I did read the article, as well as several other ones. Yes of course I know that Switzerland's in Schengen, which that makes it exactly correspond to the RoI which is in the CTA with the UK.

Worth remembering as well is that the vast majority of Irish trade is with the UK mainland, not the NI part of the UK

We don't want a border with the RoI. But the EU does, it is therefore their problem.

Bossytits ease do not misrepresent intelligent posters on this long-standing, polite thread. Maryz is extremely informative.

Yes of course I know that Switzerland's in Schengen, which that makes it exactly correspond to the RoI which is in the CTA with the UK.

Do you mean the ROI that is in the EU and therefore allows free movement of the 400+ million EU citizens, the ones that could rock up to the border and cross over? If Brexiters are now saying they are happy to have an open border with the EU and allow free movement of people via the CTA, then the problem is solved.

please not ease

Bossytits ‘vast majority of Irish trade is with the UK’ - actually it’s 40% by volume and 14% of money made from trade with the U.K. you may find it useful to watch the Channel 4 news debate from Dublin that was on last week if you can find it on catch up. Very informative.

Why would they. Ireland isn't in Schengen?

Besides, anyone will be able to come here regardless of what happens about this border, they wont be though entitled to work, have benefits get housing, NHS care etc automatically though.

bossytits

The CTA applies to UK/ROI citizens only, another reason why your Switz/Germany example is not analogous.