Any threads on the embryo case?

[Quootiepie]

Just wondering, as I think the decision is today...

NKfff, not saying that's why she did it, just that's the outcome - in a lifecoachy sort of way

I find it so grim that she's 35 and has spent six years on this case. She could have married and had a family by now. Instead, she's been in a situation that, weirdly, ties her to an ex.

but, she was fighting to be able to have her own biological child...surely it's something worth fighting for....

But, Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn, maybe to her, 'family' meant her own biological children.

So perhaps to her, the time she spent fighting for her definition of family wasn't a waste.

I have to say I think my eggs are entirely different to blood or organ donation! My kidney or a pint of my blood will never grow up to be a little boy or girl (and eventual adult) who will cry in the night and want a cuddle, will possibly inherit my looks, my lack of sporting prowess and love of words, and who may want a mummmy.

3andmore - she must have thought so. Perhaps she thought that only a child that was biologically hers would answer her need for motherhood.

And I think the 'however much of a tosser they may be' is valid in case of blood, say, but not if they are going to be raising my child. Very different. With the blood or bone marrow, there is only one person to consider - the recipient. With an embryo there is a baby, child and eventual adult to consider.

I think also the only real change that will occur is that more women will freeze eggs in future.

I would hate the idea of my child being hit or abused

Aloha - or freeze with donor sperm.

NKF...and I can truely understand her...albeit, I was lucky enough to have had 3 children...so. for me obvious it isn't an issue, but I really don't know if I could truely feel the smae about an adoptive child, or even a complete donor child, that I then surrogated for myself...although, that might actually be a good way to go, in that case, as even though the child is not biological yours, you will have the pg and everything just as with your biological child.
I truely hope that she does find a way to satisfy her needs of motherhood.

Agree it is sad that she had cancer and became infertile. Very sad. Feel for Kylie too - for anyone in that situation.

She began ivf before the cancer btw.

What I mean is she already had problems with infertility before the cancer made things impossible.

That's not what it said on the news tonight.

Okay. I thought I'd read that IVF had started and then the cancer was diagnosed.
Sorry.

no, she had the eggs taken out before she received her cancer treatment, because of the implications of teh Cancer treatment.

The IVF treatment was because of the cancer treatment coming up. I see.

I must go to bed now but have enjoyed the discussion enormously. Nothing like being judge and jury.

Night night everyone.

The BBC reports over the years all say that she had IVF urgently because of the cancer treatment.

Also found this "At a separate press conference, Mr Johnston said he would like a baby one day "if I met the right person".

He said: "We would have been good parents if we had stayed together but I did not want a child of mine growing up not knowing who I was and in an environment I have no control over."

Miss Evans, from Trowbridge, Wilts, has said she and her new boyfriend would raise the child created with Mr Johnston. Her lawyers said they would apply for her case to be heard by the European Court's Grand Chamber, a full court of 17 judges.

I would donate eggs if I weren't too old to do it. I would allow an ex partner to take embryos made using my eggs and use them IF that were the only way he could ever have his genetic child. So for me it works both ways.

And in this case I think the greater injustice is done to her in never having her own biological child than to him in having to cope with what many parents do - having a child out there they may not have wanted to conceive. I bet something like 20% of babies born in mumsnetters marriages were conceived by accident without the father really agreeing at all or supposed pill failure(i.e. female lies) - see countless other threads.

For me it's just a balance of justice and yes as a catholic I woul dhave lawyers acting for the embryos at the ECHR too which might have succeeded given how many EU countries are Catholic.

If I were the mother I'd think about the brbing the father with huge sums option ( or even the stealing of the embroyos option and escaping abroad unless they were destroyed last night of course).

It strikes me that unless the law is changed so that consent cannot be withdrawn once the embryos have been created, any woman in this situation would be better using donor sperm from a sperm bank rather than sperm from a partner. If Natallie had done this, she would possibly have had her babies by now.

I know that the right decision has been made legally but I just can't imagine what the poor woman is going through knowing that her potential babies are going to be destroyed. Especially when you think how many men have had sex without giving as much as a second's thought to contraception.

Also I do think it is a little disingenuous of him to refer back to something she said when they were considering IVF (i.e. that she would love a biological child, etc.), when he himself is going back on something he said at that time (i.e. when he consented to creating the embryos). Slightly selective there I feel.

Sorry, that should read that she would love an adopted child.