Any threads on the embryo case?

[Quootiepie]

Just wondering, as I think the decision is today...

He still has the ability to go ahead and create a family, but he is denying her that option. How cruel.

the clinicians would have explained the need for consent from both of them before the procedure happened.

what are his reasons? anyone know..

i'd imagine he doesn't want a child with her

yes bundle, i guess you are right, but perhaps the conditions should be that this is not an opt out procedure and this made clear and contracted at the start. i daresay this poor woman didnt count on the bastard destroying her ability to have a family when they did this.

yes bundle, i guess you are right, but perhaps the conditions should be that this is not an opt out procedure and this made clear and contracted at the start. i daresay this poor woman didnt count on the bastard destroying her ability to have a family when they did this.

I'm a lone voice in thinking the decision is wrong then

if these eggs had been fertilised within her body he would have no rights over the decision to carry to term or abort

he has already made his decision to fertilise the eggs .. that IMHO is where his input should stop in the decision making process .. if he doesn't want to be a father to her children then they should draw up a legal contract removing his parental rights and obligations

ethically and morally I think the embryos belong to the woman and she should have the right to see if they will survive if implanted

No, I'm with you Twig. As I said, the law is wrong and should be changed so that the right to change your mind ends once the embryos have been created.

no twiglet i wholeheartedly agree with you, totally the wrong decision. How can this man live with himself.

i think harvesting her eggs at the time had a technically low success rate.

he'd better come up with a better excuse, i think most people would be on the side of the woman

it's not an excuse, he doesn't want a child with her and I think that is a good enough reason for the judgment

How would he feel if the situation were reversed and he no longer had the ability to father a child other than through these embryos? The whole process of IVF is terribly traumatic for the women whereas the man only has to wank into a pot. She's put herself through all of that in her pursuit of motherhood only for him to turn round and say "No, don't want to now".

I do feel that the test tube should be viewed as a temporary extension of the woman's womb and therefore, once an embryo is created there, the same rights apply as if it were created in the womb proper.

I agree that it's wrong too, I feel so sorry for her that she'll never have another chance.

He must have a very thick-skinned conscience (if that makes sense).

He stated that he wanted to be able to choose when he started a family and that because his relationship with her ended, his desire to create a child with her ended.

I wonder how this man might feel if, in a few years, he DOES wish to start a family with someone and discovers he is infertile. Will he be glad that he destroyed his embryos then? Hypothetical, I know, but still after this court decision he is still able to choose to HAVE more biological children and has left her bereft of that option.

Freckle - similar point . I type too slow...

Twiglett, morally and ethically I agree with you. Legally, the right decision was made.

ok,perhaps the consent form should be changed now..

was this european court, if not, perhaps she will take it there next..

Speedy, what was the legal argument that won in the end?

But how would she feel if the situation was reversed: He wanted the embryos to implant into his partner as she didn't want children with him.

Emotionally I absolutely side with her. I really hope against hope that he suddenly changes his mind, although surely that's unlikely now.

My concern if she had won her case was that it would set a precedent that could force a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term because the father did not consent to an abortion.

I agree though that changing the law so that consent could not be withdrawn in these cases would be a good idea. Surely though men who would do this to a partner are few and far between?

It was the European Court of Human Rights, so it was her last chance - so the embryos will now be destroyed.

it is the right decision.

I really feel for her.Bad enough to go through all that ill; health but to know you will never have kids must be so hard.

good point shona.