Any threads on the embryo case?

[Quootiepie]

Just wondering, as I think the decision is today...

I suppose it's hard to make decisions concerning potential children. There's such a long way between frozen embryo and child.

As I understand it, the case came down to her right to use the embroys as she saw fit and his right to refuse to have them used by her.

He asked for them to be destroyed years ago. She's kept this case hanging over him all that time. And she could have had a baby by now. It is tragic but she had a choice. There was another path and it could well have led to greater happiness.

I wonder if she got caught up in some legal test case mentality with ambitious lawyers encouraging her to keep going.

I too don't consider my eggs or an embrio to be a child. but once they are implanted into a uterus, they have the ability to become a child. and that is where things take a different turn IMO.

Nketc - was wondering exactly the same tonight. Was some lawyer telling her she had and open and shut case?

Yes, shame she didn't try anthoer way really, even her lawyer said it was very unlikely she'd win the case - but she doesn't seem to have taken that into account

quite possibly nkffff "we could set a precedent here - change the law for thousands of women who might be in the same position as you"...

Ah, not so then.

Apparently there is a 'last chance saloon' precedent in the US, but it was acknowledged that it would go against all European law

I feel sorry for the lady, don't get me wrong.

The guy's a twat.

But I agree with the ruling.

The lawyer sounded really reasonable....(suppose that's their job...)

Of course it's possible Ms Evans wasn't persuing it for entirely healthy reasons.

Why is he a twat?

[ducks]

Entirely healthy? Whatever do you mean? Hmmm.

Come out from under the bed and explain. Go on.

Why is the guy a twat? Really really don't get this venom directed at him. I mean he might be but not that we know of.

Does it matter, n-whatever-the-hell? Christ on a bike, sorry, but that is one annoying 'nickname'

It's a moot point.

The embryos will be destroyed.

Lesson: freeze your eggs, not embryos.

I've only read mumsnet and the news stories. Is he getting a hard time in the press?

I just mean that if her main point was to be a mother she could have been by now (see below...) Instead she's chosen a long drawn out and v public court battle which she must have known he would hate and she had very little chance of winning.

But I do realise that's a logical argument not an emotional one....

Get it. Okay.

Much more likely to hurt him than help her iyswim

But in this case, Sobernow, they both had signed documents that made it really clear what rights they had and what control they had. To overturn that would be completely wrong IMO. I think the fact that he agreed to the embryo freezing at such an emotional time under such a huge time pressure also changes things - ie it is likely he was not desperate to have babies with her even then. Would he even have done it if it was made clear that she would have total ownership of all the embryos and could decide to use as many of them as she wanted whenever she wanted regardless of their relationship? Quite possibly not.
I completely accept that you woudn't mind not seeing your biological child or having them brought up by someone else even if you didn't like them provided you hadn't actually given birth to them (though I confess I do find that a bit shocking!) but I think we can assume that like me, the bloke in this case feels very differently.

The other famous embryo mum was Diane BLOOD, her name always disturbed me..

I agree that this couple could well have been the pawns used by lawyers wanting a high profile case.

I don't see why HE can be labelled a 'twat' any more than she can.

I am not criticising your POV btw - just honestly rather taken aback by it.

I suppose people find it hard to see that they won't always get something that they want really badly. That just wanting it doesn't make it happen, doesn't make it your right. And some people do feel strongly about genetics.

Aloha - strongly agree, I don't regard my eggs as children, but if they were to become children then I'd definitely want to be their mother in every sense