Any threads on the embryo case?

[Quootiepie]

Just wondering, as I think the decision is today...

it's just been announced, the embryos are being destroyed. I think it's awfully sad for the poor woman. I understand the reasons for having the law in place as it stands, but it still seems really unfair for this poor woman.

But would it be fair for the man to have his genetic material used withot his consent? He doesn't want to think of a child of his being raised by her (he thinks she's that nuts). She already has a kid (I think). She would have died (I think) without modern medicine, and/or not been able to undergo IVF to have a chance of a baby after chemo. So not that really "unfair" for her, I reckon. Just unlucky.

its the right decision obv. the man should have the same rights.

but he must have hated her ever so much,

oh no!

I think this is the right decision but I feel for her.

I think it's the right decision. Nobody should be forced to be a parent against their will (risks opening up whole other abortion debate...)

In these circumstances, why would you freeze embryos rather than eggs, does anyone know?

yes it is the right decision but I keep thinking about all those men who don't use condoms and end up fathers without giving it a proper thought and all the time and money that has been spent on this.

she must be heart broken.

I think embryos have a much better chance of survival than egg, less water or something.

I guess that would make sense

Technology didn't exist at the time to freeze eggs (with which I have no issue) only embryos (don't really feel it's right).

So - right decision but can't be easy for anyone.

i think its terrible, what a selfish man, im sorry but i know that men DO have rights but at the time they froze the embryos (thats little tiny HUMAN beings, BABIES potentially) they made the decision together. This was this womans only chance for another child and now she has to give up on that. She must be devestated. What difference would it have made to him, my DD1 father has had no imput into her life whatsover, apart from a few chromosomes and two minutes effort, and im sure he doesnt give her a second thought. What about sperm donors? This makes my blood boil, what ever happened to the sanctity of LIFE.

well that opens the whole abortion debate - that clearly cannot be the argument because life has no sanctity under law until what is it? 25 weeks? 20 weeks?

tell that to the baby you can feel moving at 18 weeks with a fully developed nervous system at 8, i say bollocks to the law

not a reasoned argument that the judges can take on board though. 'bollocks'

therefore the equality in law must dictate that he can vito being a parent - with this woman

I saw something about this today and my first thought was "god, he must really hate her".

Women want equality with men. If a man does not want to be a father, why should he have it imposed on him? The right decision, imo.

She could always try adopting.

think the right decision was made and she hasn't lost her chance to have children, yes hers biologically, but she could adopted or use donated eggs if she really wants a baby.

It's the correct legal decision but hell, I do feel terribly sorry for her, I really do.

I think the right decision was made. But I can't help thinking that if the embryos had been implanted, ie she was pregnant when they split, would he have had the right to demand an abortion? Isn't this kind of the same thing? I really don't know.

I don't think she has another child as she has just said in the pc that this was her only chance to become a mother.

Makes you realise how lucky you are, not to have to go thru something like this!

custy, my response is emotional, the first thing that sprang to mind and clearly not a reasoned argument.Then my computor crashed and gave me time to think The argument is - whilst this man does not want to be "forced" into parenthood and clearly has the right not to be, does that give him the right to terminate the lives they have created.(i certainly haven't forced my dd1's "father" into parenthood) Are they lives at the embryonic stage? At what stage of development are the embryo's held, if they are termed embryos then its past the ball of cells stage. I am against abortion for myself, however i would never ever berate a woman who has made this decision for herself but that is another argument altogher. It also opens the whole stem cell can of worms which, whilst i am in favour of the research it does leave a bad taste in my mouth.

i know he shouldnt be forced into being a parent ,but shes being forced into not being one

tigerschick, you have raised a good point here, clearly a man cannot demand a woman have an abortion, so was this not the same thing on a technicality - i guess not, well not in the eyes of the law it seems. You then have to feel sorry for fathers of unborn children whom the mothers chose to abort against his decision, i wonder if the law has a solution to that particular emotional dilemma? The law seems to be unequal on many levels doesnt it and bound by precident maybe (im no expert, far far from it, just my uninformed opinion).

the right decision, but a painful one

I think the law as it stands is wrong. When you create an embryo, the right to change your mind should end. It should be made clear to both parties that, once the embryo has been created, there is no turning back and that they must be very sure before proceeding - after all, this is what would happen if a baby was being created by normal means.

By all means, freeze eggs or sperm separately and then each party has the right to decide what happens. As it stands at the moment, the woman's eggs are being destroyed on the instructions of another.

I think the man must be very full of hatred. No one is asking him to start a family. I think she's made it clear that the only contact he need have with the child is if that child chooses to seek him out when it's an adult.

i thought the same, he must hate her, they were together on the other hand, and they went into the freezing of the embryos together, she had chemotherapy and now ... i think he is being unreasonable really though and am amazed that he has stood his ground. pity they couldnt have frozen her unfertilised eggs..