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Charlie Gard 17 re started

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muckypup73 · 25/07/2017 20:39

Ok guys, we have been very lucky to discuss this, please lets not give anyone anything to complain about, Mhq have been more than accomodating.

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NellieBuff · 26/07/2017 13:32

Oh dear - Medical Students. It is weren't so "insert swear word of choice" tragic it would be comical.

I see only more heart break ahead.

Sostenueto · 26/07/2017 13:32

I'm not shocked Rhodiolia. I expected it. It was obvious they were not winning court case and they wanted more time with Charlie so drop the case and try and get Charlie home. Can't really blame them. Would I do it? No but everyone is different.

farfallarocks · 26/07/2017 13:32

One Italian member is saying that if he is allowed home, there will be a miracle. And that is why they are blocking him from going home. Scary.

Writerwannabe83 · 26/07/2017 13:33

Cast of Holby City perhaps could help.....

Maybe they've already posted on the Holby City FB Fan Page?

Sostenueto · 26/07/2017 13:33

Now folks font step over the line!Smile

GabsAlot · 26/07/2017 13:33

thanks in advance cj and all for updates

hav to go out now but i really hop judge f rules today with a set date this cannot be allowed to go on- for charlies sake

GinSoakedTwitchyPony · 26/07/2017 13:33

YY Dorothea.
I remember him from BBC news. I didn't know he was at Sky until I started to follow him in this case.

GinSoakedTwitchyPony · 26/07/2017 13:36

Same here Nigella re Daily Mail.
I was seriously concerned at first when I found myself agreeing with all the green arrows on the comments. And the article published a couple of days ago was very balanced. I did notice it was written by senior journalists.

DustinGee · 26/07/2017 13:37

ExConstance I think your post a few pages back is a pretty good example of the kind of attitude that has made this issue so very contentious. You asserted that the hospital had failed to engage the parents in the way that they should have back in the beginning and that you hoped they'd learn lessons from it. You even went so far as to call people "patronising".

You have precisely no evidence whatsoever for this - and it's people making assertions without evidence that lies at the heart of all this. In sworn statements given to the court GOSH are very clear that they have bent over backwards at all times to work with and support the parents. It was only when no consensus could be reached over what was right for Charlie that they sought legal remedy - for Charlie's sake, not theirs. By all accounts they were met with nothing but anger and brick walls.

Now, we cannot know what prompted Chris & Connie into their responses and actions - I suspect a combination of extreme distress, grief and desperation to believe the pronouncements of experts who should have known better. If that is the case then it can hardly be described as a failure on the part of GOSH and it's wrong of you to just assume that it must have been.

As far as today's proceedings are concerned, I have a feeling that it's going to come down to a very unpleasant choice for Connie and Chris: if they want time with Charlie it will simply have to be at GOSH. If they don't want him to die there then they'll have to sacrifice that time. Devastating for them.

BoreofBabylon I went to read that Piston Heads post. I didn't understand a word of it but you clearly have no cause to dismiss it as "mansplaining". He wasn't patronisingly dumbing down an explanation for females on the assumption that they are too dim to understand long words. He was simply explaining something complicated on a thread (largely for other men). And he didn't say he was a clinician either. I got the impression that he worked in genetic research - which, of course, provides data for clinicians. I have no idea whether his explanation is correct, or indeed whether he's an accredited scientist or a fantasist with a GCSE in Human Biology - but that he is a man who explained something for lay people does not make him guilty of "mansplaining".

SimplyNigella · 26/07/2017 13:40

It actually makes it more frustrating how shit they usually are as they clearly can produce decent journalism if they want to.

onalongsabbatical · 26/07/2017 13:41

I saw that Writer. So shocked I didn't actually want to post about it here. People's narcissism knows no bounds.

lazycrazyhazy · 26/07/2017 13:42

Penguin Dreams - or haranguing the poor staff as they go in and out of GOSH 😢

AcrossthePond55 · 26/07/2017 13:42

I suppose CA are thinking 'desperate times call for desperate measures'. At this point someone could send out a tweet for Dumbledore (or Snape as he was the Potions Master) to whip up a batch of "Elixir of Life" and I expect there will be some who think "Yes, of course, why didn't I think of that!".

The problem is that any time anyone comes up with a 'new idea', no matter how absurd, it will give hope to C&C. How could it not? I know I'd probably cling to any shred of hope, at least for a while.

I know it's ridiculous, but I woke up this morning (it's 5.40 here) and hoped that yesterday's trial was a smokescreen to keep media & CA away and that Charlie had already been peacefully released from this life. Silly of me. But all I want is for C&C to have privacy and seclusion to survive what must happen. They just aren't thinking right, they simply can not understand or accept. At this point someone trying to explain to them the realities may just as well be speaking Martian.

I greatly fear what may happen when the reality hits them. It may not be for years, but it will as some point.

BeyondDrinksAndKnowsThings · 26/07/2017 13:42

Whether men can mansplain to other men (as in, is it a way that men are socialised to explain anything as "king of all knowledge", or just a way to explain things "down" to women), can probably fill a thread all of its own, so it's probably best not to start it here Grin

TheFairyCaravan · 26/07/2017 13:43

I was going to say that I'm shocked that CA's are messaging medical students, but I'm actually not.

They all need help.

Ellie56 · 26/07/2017 13:44

It gets worse.

Apparently GOSH won't let Charlie go home because, there will be an autopsy after his death which will reveal how GOSH have tortured him.....
If he dies in GOSH they can cover it up. Hmm

Rhodiolia · 26/07/2017 13:44

For those who asked, Lonelymummys DD is doing quite well at the moment, she's home and rocking some amazing unicorn wellies! Of course, it's always sad to think that her mito condition is life limiting but she is having an amazing life with her fab mum right now.

cjt110 · 26/07/2017 13:45

I agree with the comments re Sky News and JR. Very good reporting of this issue.

Can people keep an eye out for the live link? I'm currently on news.sky.com/story/live-judge-considers-charlie-gards-future-10959647 but unsure if this is the one that will be being used.

Will commence reposting as soon as it commences.

DorotheaBeale · 26/07/2017 13:46

they are now criticising the amazing, in my opinion, judge.

From a non-legal person's POV, it seems to me that the judge has bent over backwards to give C&C as much leeway as he can.

But he is of course required by law to consider always what is in Charlie's best interests. Too many people seem to have lost sight of the fact (if they ever realised it) that it's Charlie's best interests that are central to this case.

cjt110 · 26/07/2017 13:46

Apparently GOSH won't let Charlie go home because, there will be an autopsy after his death which will reveal how GOSH have tortured him..... If he dies in GOSH they can cover it up. Do post mortem's occur in such circumstances - i.e. someone dies in hospital? IIRC is someone dies in the community but has seen a GP within a certain time frame, none is required.

BeyondDrinksAndKnowsThings · 26/07/2017 13:47

Rhod, great to hear she is home :)

TinselTwins · 26/07/2017 13:47

It's so scary how quickly a mob can be re-directed
Not long ago CA were out for the blood of anyone involved in palliative care and dignity in dying etc
"there's no such thing as dignity in dying" etc
And now…….

TinselTwins · 26/07/2017 13:47

It's so scary how quickly a mob can be re-directed
Not long ago CA were out for the blood of anyone involved in palliative care and dignity in dying etc
"there's no such thing as dignity in dying" etc
And now…….

MiaowTheCat · 26/07/2017 13:47

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Yamayo · 26/07/2017 13:48

Rhodiolia great news!
Pass on our love to the little ballerina and get fab mum.