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Grenfell Tower The Aftermath Thread SIX.

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HelenaDove · 05/07/2017 19:46

I thought i would take the oppurtunity to start thread six as thread five is now coming to an end. Thanks Thanks to all those lost in the fire their survivors families friends and volunteers.

Link to thread five which also includes links to previous threads.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/2959251-London-Fire-Grenfell-Tower-thread-five?pg=1

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HelenaDove · 13/08/2017 01:53

zelo-street.blogspot.co.uk/2017/08/from-ronan-point-to-peckham.html

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Lucysky2017 · 13/08/2017 14:15

Dreadful. They seen unable to manage anything. Not everyone has a choice but if possible avoid letting from the state. They are useless.

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HelenaDove · 14/08/2017 19:03

Grenfell.............two months on

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/14/grenfell-tower-fire-victims-betrayed-commissioners-community?CMP=share_btn_tw

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HelenaDove · 15/08/2017 13:36

Grenfell inquiry will NOT be including the broader context of social housing.

Despite evacuation of Camden tower blocks and what is happening on Ledbury Estate.

Attitudes towards tenants are part of the problem and yet its not included.

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HelenaDove · 15/08/2017 13:41

Statement from Emma Dent Coad.

kensingtonlabour.com/2017/08/15/grenfell-inquiry-terms-of-reference/amp/

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Lucysky2017 · 15/08/2017 14:24

mmmm wekl that Labour MP's statement reading between the lines could be read as MPs and the benefits claimants take August off for holidays whereas solicitors Moore etc and the PM are able to look at things quickly - very efficient of the solicitors and PM and pity everyone elose can't do things as swiftly because they are all away on holidays. Lucky them to have all these holidays.

HelenaDove · 15/08/2017 14:46

WTF do you mean by claimants having August off.

Many of those living in Grenfell were working and even if they wernt that does not mean their lives were worth any less.

I didnt realize that claimants are allowed to take August off. Perhaps you could put up the link to this as im sure you have one.

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HelenaDove · 18/08/2017 16:59

The above has parallels to how Grenfell tenants were treated and yet they dont want to look at wider issues in social housing.

Ledbury tenants were/are seen as agitators and troublemakers in the same way that Grenfell tenants were seen as.

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HelenaDove · 18/08/2017 18:56

"Following the news in 2017n has been like riding an out of control rollercoaster. As soon as one story dissipates, another rears its head
with little chance to analyse and contextualise anything that occurs.
Take the news about housing: after the shocking tragedy of Grenfell Tower, an eyewatering number of tower blocks were revealed to have similarly unsafe cladding as the government fire tested samples sent in by councils and housing associations.

May orders national inquiry after 100% failure rate in high-rise cladding tests
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The statistics caused huge alarm: the Chalcotts Estate in Camden was evacuated when it was discovered the panels fixed to the new-build towers were the same as those fitted to Grenfell Tower, which are believed to have contributed to the speed and scale of the blaze. Scarcely had politicians and the public begun to discuss what this meant for the culture of housing and redevelopment across Britain, when another story broke.

The Ledbury estate in Peckham was found to be at significant risk of collapse in the case of a gas explosion. Believing the residents to be in immediate danger, Southwark council began evacuating.

In 1968, in Ronan Point tower in Newham, east London, four people
died and 17 were injured when a gas explosion caused load bearing walls to collapse as the bolts holding together large prefabricated panels
buckled. The image of the tower was stark. From the roof to the floor,
an entire corner had fallen in, like dominos. That the fatality count
was as low as four was a miracle in itself. The collapse caused huge
concern for tower block residents, and the system then used to join the
concrete panelling was outlawed and building regulations changed to
ensure tower block architecture was safer and more robust.

The Ledbury estate was constructed using the same method as Ronan Point but residents were told that the problem had been fixed.

Southwark commissioned a fire safety inspection after residents raised concerns following the Grenfell Tower inferno, and it was discovered that, somehow, the flawed construction method had never been rectified. So for decades, the tower was at risk of the same fate as Ronan Point. It’s unclear how this oversight occurred. But a similar tale emerges: residents had been complaining of safety risks for years before this life-threatening danger was revealed.

Housing costs, supply and a dearth of social housing are cited often as the main issues in the UK’s housing crisis. But how we treat residents and tenants is a stain on modern Britain. The Ledbury and Grenfell residents were repeatedly dismissed when they raised concerns.

People constantly contact me panicked when they are turned away illegally by council housing offices or have issues with damp, leaks, cockroaches and rodents in their homes, endangering their children’s health. In the past few weeks, several women have kept me updated with their treatment after the roof of their Notting Hill Housing Trust domestic violence refuge collapsed. The women had complained for weeks that the sprinkler system was leaking into the ceiling, with little response. When the ceiling collapsed, they were told they’d be moved from Kensington to Barking, where several of their violent ex-partners live.

Since, some of them have been in temporary accommodation. One was placed in a hostel staffed entirely by men and when she caught someone photographing her
through a window, found the manager of the hostel and the housing staff at Kensington and Chelsea council dismissive until a police officer contacted the council on her behalf and pressured the department to move her to more appropriate accommodation.

In the meantime, the stress had caused her post-traumatic stress disorder to
escalate to the point where she was admitted to a psychiatric unit. Prior to the roof collapse she’d felt close to recovery.

Housing associations and councils must accept they have a duty to uphold human dignity and treat residents as they would their friends and neighbours rather than like human detritus. Meeting housing association chief executives, I’m struck by the earnest way in which they speak of their work and how they argue we need to give homes to all who need it and remove the stigma social tenants face. Yet the tales their tenants tell do not match their words.

Some councils are rotten, and so too are some housing associations. Staff on the frontline must do more to genuinely listen and act on the complaints and needs of residents, and less on honing the corporate exterior gloss"

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HelenaDove · 22/08/2017 23:38

50th victim of fire named by police.

www.standard.co.uk/news/london/grenfell-tower-family-pays-tribute-to-selfless-motheroffive-who-died-in-blaze-a3617721.html

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HelenaDove · 23/08/2017 21:26

For every Grenfell action blog that we find there will be many more that we dont

Jon Snow

twitter.com/jonsnowC4/status/900431375387557891

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HelenaDove · 24/08/2017 20:55

Research project to identify and expose the legal gaps exposed by the Grenfell fire.

nearlylegal.co.uk/2017/08/research-project-identify-expose-legal-gaps-exposed-grenfell-fire/

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HelenaDove · 25/08/2017 14:01

"As the scope of the Grenfell inquiry begins to take shape many, including reporters, politicians and campaigners, have asked why we do not have a national regulator for housing.

As a housing solicitor and one of many legal aid lawyers who volunteered to help North Kensington Law Centre in the weeks following the Grenfell fire, I know there is one, but such is its anonymity that few seem to know of its existence. The Homes and Communities Agency (HCA) was created under the Housing and Regeneration Act 2008. It has a statutory duty to regulate social housing providers and uphold standards in the sector.

It is the state regulator responsible for all social housing; both via housing associations and local authorities. It is supposed to ensure that housing is “well-managed and of appropriate quality” and social housing tenants have an appropriate degree of protection and can hold their landlords to account.

The difficulty in bringing complaints to the regulator is that its power to intervene is limited to cases of “serious detriment”. This phrase has no statutory definition, but the HCA chose a narrow interpretation of “a risk of or actual harm to tenants”. If a complaint from a tenant falls short of this test then the regulator need take no further action – of 461 consumer complaints in 2015-16 only four led to a finding of serious detriment (pdf).

The 2008 act gave the HCA the power to launch a statutory inquiry, where it believes there may have been provider mismanagement or where it has reasonable grounds to suspect that a failure of the regulatory standards has led to serious detriment – this function that has never been used. There are powers to compensate a tenant or groups of tenants where a provider has failed to meet the standards. It can replace councils, Almos (arm’s length organisations), TMOs (tenant management organisations) and housing associations as property managers where there is social housing mismanagement.

And yet, the regulator has a record of non-intervention. In 2013the HCA was taken to task by a parliamentary select committee over its handling of the near-collapse of Cosmopolitan housing. The regulator was found to have had “interpreted his remit as narrowly as possible” and was accused of an unwillingness to use its statutory powers. Four years on, the lack of response to the management of Grenfell Tower seems a graphic example of an ongoing reluctance by the HCA to exercise its regulatory powers of intervention.

Despite the withering select committee report Julian Ashby, chair during the Cosmopolitan crisis, remains in post as both HCA board member and chair of the regulatory committee. Alongside him as HCA board member is Anthony Preiskel. He is also director for Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation (KCTMO), the landlord that the HCA has a statutory duty to regulate.

No investigative case against KCTMO was ever opened by the HCA, yet Grenfell Action Group could not have made its concerns any clearer in a series of complaints that included power surges in Grenfell Tower in 2013; issues around emergency service access to the estate; and fire safety risks following the neighbouring Adair Tower fire in 2015. Those concerns were raised with KCTMO at board meetings, which Prieskel regularly attends as its director, and could not have more graphically foretold of the threat of disaster. Even applying the HCA’s own definition of serious detriment – a risk of harm to tenants – this was somehow ignored.

Two board members of Shelter resigned in the wake of Grenfell. Shelter is a homeless charity, yet the institutional embarrassment (over links to KCTMO and the cladding supplier) was too great for them to remain in post. The HCA is not a charity. It is the state regulator for social housing. Yet not only are there no resignations, there is no public statement, no inquiry, no public presence. The regulator, amid its sector’s greatest catastrophe, appears to be airbrushing itself from existence. As part of the ongoing search for justice, this must be brought to light"

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mrsglowglow · 28/08/2017 08:39

Thank you Helena for keeping the thread going and for the informative links. All those affected by the Grenfell fire are in my thoughts.

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