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Grenfell Tower The Aftermath Thread SIX.

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HelenaDove · 05/07/2017 19:46

I thought i would take the oppurtunity to start thread six as thread five is now coming to an end. Thanks Thanks to all those lost in the fire their survivors families friends and volunteers.

Link to thread five which also includes links to previous threads.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/2959251-London-Fire-Grenfell-Tower-thread-five?pg=1

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HelenaDove · 28/11/2018 01:23

Rags Martel
‏Verified account @RagsMartel

Rags Martel Retweeted ITV London

Grenfell Inquiry

  • Doors "a total failure" in terms of fire safety, says expert witness Dr Barbara Lane
  • Switch for firefighters to control lifts was NOT connected properly
  • Smoke extraction system failed because it was only designed to ventilate one floor at a time

twitter.com/itvlondon/status/1067126309187395586

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agedknees · 01/12/2018 20:59

I owned a flat in an apartment block in Manchester. It has the same cladding as Grenfell towers.. It will cost £3 million to replace. Each flat has to pay £10,000.

Apartment block is not that old. It was built in 2008.

Builders putting safety way below profits.

HelenaDove · 02/12/2018 18:49

£10.000 Fucking hell!

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MattRess · 02/12/2018 18:50

@agedknees

I understand your concern about combustible cladding. But in fact you are in far more danger from the huge amount of combustible material inside your flat. UK sofas, mattresses, carpets, curtains and more are stuffed full of flame retardant chemicals that are incredibly toxic when they burn - more so than cladding which often doesn't contain flame retardants. Also, when cladding catches fire, most of the toxins and smoke stays outside of the building. But once your furniture etc catches fire, then the inside becomes a toxic death trap. You might wonder why so much attention is therefore being placed on just cladding.

agedknees · 02/12/2018 20:37

Luckily for us we moved into a house 4 years ago. Feel sorry for the guy we sold the flat to.

MattRess · 03/12/2018 09:39

*@agedknees

Don't wish to alarm you but everything I said will apply to the furniture, carpets, etc, in your new house too.

Badbadbunny · 03/12/2018 20:14

You might wonder why so much attention is therefore being placed on just cladding.

Because the cladding breaches the compartmentation thus allowing the fire to spread out of control and unstoppable - Grenfell was lost at 1.29 that night - fire officers and expert witnesses have confirmed that there was no way of putting it out. Also if you have been watching the public inquiry evidence, you'll know that flats unaffected by fire were completely smoke logged from smoke coming in from the outside. So, I think the emphasis on the cladding is entirely justified. Compartmentation is fundamental to the design of high rise buildings so it is rightly the factor getting most attention.

FlameIngSofa · 04/12/2018 10:42

@Badbadbunny

Actually, it's a little more complicated than that. Yes of course smoke from cladding got inside the tower. But compartmentalisation was breached because the apartments were not air-tight anyway. I agree with Mattress that there has been a suspicious avoidance of the role played by the massive amounts of combustible material inside the tower. Prof. David Purser has recently at least raised the issue at the Inquiry. But we need to look at the bigger business picture. The flame retardant industry is massively wealthy and adept at manipulating politicians, officials and regulations towards getting more of its products into hour homes and work places. So far it's done a pretty good job, I'd say, of deflecting attention from the role their chemicals played in the fire.

HelenaDove · 07/12/2018 17:36

Way back on Grenfell Thread 1 i said the tenants would have been labelled as vexatious for raising concerns about safety and workmanship issues at Grenfell.

I was right.

Emma Dent Coad
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Dec 1

Shades of KCTMO who had a blacklist of 'regular/vexatious complainants'. This included Grenfell Action Group accused of 'scaremongering ' over concerns 're fire safety. #timetocare @KensingtonCLP

twitter.com/emmadentcoad/status/1068797989890793472

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jennymor123 · 07/12/2018 18:04

Vexatious? Let's talk facts. Tower residents had raised plenty of concerns about the fire safety of the tower. Then there's a fire that kills at least 72 people and poisons hundreds/thousands more. For several days following the fire, there is no sign of help from the government or the council. There is a fantastic, instinctive and generous response from the 'ordinary' people of London and the UK. While that's going on the council is holed up in the town hall shredding incriminating papers. An Inquiry is set up - by the very government that should be in the dock - that so far has taken 17 months to come up with absolutely no truth or justice regarding the fire.

The government and council also ignored and covered up the fact of toxic poisoning. Only when a leak to the press from a toxicologist who'd sneaked out soil samples that showed very high levels of hydrogen cyanide did the council/government take it seriously. Even then, the government - true to its usual pattern - has set up the board of scientists to look into toxicity, insulting the residents' intelligence by claiming that this group is 'independent of government'. Residents, as usual, have had no say in this process and have not been offered a place on the board.

Just about everyone in Grenfell is ill, exhausted and stressed. And if anyone can point to what the government/council has done to help alleviate this, please let me know. Being vexatious is a mild reaction, in my view.

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jennymor123 · 12/12/2018 18:32

Well, that's how we do things here. Spin out any inquiry for as long as possible, till everyone's dead, gone mad or given up. Then change nothing. The inquiry IS the 'doing something about it.'

Badbadbunny · 13/12/2018 17:04

As we've heard in the enquiry so far, everyone is blaming everyone else. As for making changes etc to stop it happening again, everyone expects someone else to make those decisions.

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HelenaDove · 13/12/2018 18:19

Until the attitudes towards tenants change there is a real possibility of something like this happening again. Its not only the cladding Its the attitudes that tenants should be grateful for what they get.
The attitude that its "free" And the slapdash and in some cases dangerous work from contractors. Jobs being sub contracted then sub contracted then subcontracted again.

These companies are still getting contracts a. because they are cheap and b. because there is the ingrained belief that tenants should be grateful

Tenants are seen as subordinate and some of these HAs and contractors see themselves as their benevolent masters.

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HelenaDove · 13/12/2018 18:24

www.constructionnews.co.uk/markets/sectors/health/rydon-firm-sues-london-hospital-over-cancelled-contract/10037732.article

A subsidiary of Rydon has launched legal action against a north London NHS trust after it pulled out of a £300m strategic partnership contract.

Ryhurst, which forms part of the Rydon Group, is suing the Whittington Health NHS Trust after it scrapped a procurement deal, which would have seen the contractor become the strategic estates partner for the hospital.

Whittington named Ryhurst its preferred bidder in autumn 2017 and would have overseen approximately £300m of work in an intitial five-year contract, which included the option to extend for a further five years.

However, the announcement drew criticism in some quarters due to Rydon’s involvement in the refurbishment of Grenfell Tower.

islingtontribune.com/article/ryhurst-should-do-the-decent-thing-and-drop-attempt-to-sue-whittington-hospital

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HelenaDove · 14/12/2018 14:52

Grenfell..................18 months on.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/14/grenfell-tower-fire-justice-inquiry-delay-trauma?CMP=share_btn_tw

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HelenaDove · 14/12/2018 21:01

twitter.com/itvlondon/status/1073651812752941056

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