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Grenfell Tower The Aftermath Thread SIX.

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HelenaDove · 05/07/2017 19:46

I thought i would take the oppurtunity to start thread six as thread five is now coming to an end. Thanks Thanks to all those lost in the fire their survivors families friends and volunteers.

Link to thread five which also includes links to previous threads.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/2959251-London-Fire-Grenfell-Tower-thread-five?pg=1

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HelenaDove · 13/10/2018 15:15

i dont know why the link is showing the wrong title.

"Grenfell refurb details 'kept secret to protect commercial interests'

Demand for information from landlord was denied to protect contractor, inquiry told

A Grenfell Tower resident’s demand for information from his landlord about how decisions were being made about the building’s refurbishment was dismissed to protect the “commercial interests” of the contractor Rydon, it has emerged.

In September 2014, almost three years before the disaster that claimed 72 lives, Ed Daffarn made a request under the Freedom of Information Act to see the Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation monthly minutes about the refurbishment project, including input from Rydon and the architecture firm Studio E. The request was refused because release might “prejudice the commercial interests of the contractor”.
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On Wednesday Daffarn told the inquiry into the disaster that the minutes could have revealed that two months earlier zinc cladding had been swapped for combustible plastic-filled cladding, which leaked emails have shown saved the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea almost £300,000.

“If we had seen that they had replaced non-combustible materials with combustible materials we could have publicised it and campaigned against it,” he said. “I didn’t have the information I needed to know just how unsafe our homes really were. The thought that if I had been given this information I could have done something about it continues to cause me anguish.”

Daffarn complained separately to the landlord that residents were not asked about the type of cladding and that they had not seen samples of new windows, newly released emails show.

The tenant management organisation (TMO) said residents had been consulted, but Daffarn told the inquiry: “As far as I can see, we were only ever informed about the zinc product. The fact that the product was changed, and the reasons for the change, were withheld from us.”

The cheaper combustible cladding was instrumental in spreading the fire, experts have told the inquiry, and it has been banned by the government on residential buildings more than 18 metres tall

Several of the bereaved and survivors giving evidence have complained about the way the refurbishment was handled. Daffarn claimed that the TMO had threatened to “smash down the door” of any tenant or leaseholder that failed to cooperate, but this was denied by the TMO.
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Earlier on Wednesday Samuel Daniels, whose disabled father, Joseph Daniels, died in the fire, described the relationship between residents and Rydon as “toxic”. He told the inquiry it was clear the project was “designed to benefit those looking at the block, not those of us who were living in it”.

Daniels described how firefighters who tried to save his father appeared not to be wearing breathing apparatus and had to abandon the mission amid confusion about the layout of the building. He said they turned back “totally petrified” from an attempt to save his father who he had left on the 16th floor flat because he was disorientated and could not be persuaded to leave. Joseph Daniels was found dead in the lobby outside his flat.

“They could not tell which floors they were on as there were no signs,” he said. “I ran with the firemen, and it felt like I was running away from my father.”

He described how fire alarms that worked before the refurbishment did not go off and that for at least 30 minutes he smelled smoke but did not try to evacuate because he heard no alarm

When he got to the base of the blazing tower he looked up and felt sure his father was dead, he said.
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“I could see countless people in their flats looking out of their windows or hammering on their windows not knowing what to do; sometimes it was entire families,” he said. “People were jumping from their windows.”

Branislav Lukic, who lived on the 11th floor, told the inquiry he went back into his flat to make sure his flatmate made it out, and he rescued Clarita Ghavimi, who he found in a panic on the 10th floor as thick black smoke filled the communal areas. He threw her over his shoulder and took her down to safety.

“I still have feelings of guilt that I was not able to help more people who did not make it out. We lost two people from my floor, and I could not help them when I was escaping the building,” he said.

Describing the smoke and the heat, he said: “I remember what it felt like every day. I am really struggling with my mental health, and am finding it really difficult to cope.”

He said the fire had “made me an entirely different person”.

The inquiry continues."

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HelenaDove · 22/10/2018 15:29

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/6d6cfb0a-d56a-11e8-9c20-5eb2e7b96a26

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HelenaDove · 26/10/2018 16:02

www.memorabletv.com/episodes/the-fires-that-foretold-grenfell-airs-tues-30-oct-on-bbc-two/

This 60-minute documentary is the dramatic, haunting story of five fires that foretold the Grenfell disaster, told through the eyes of those directly involved.

This vivid and moving film for BBC Two collates the memories of survivors, the bereaved, fire-fighters, safety experts, and the politicians linked to five intensely fierce fire disasters that preceded Grenfell. This telling collection of interviews and archive footage shows the clear warnings that existed and could have predicted a Grenfell-type inferno happening in Britain.

The programme focuses on three factors: the application of flammable material and cladding to buildings, the ‘Stay Put’ advice given by fire services, the absence of sprinklers – and how they contributed to each of the previous five blazes, sometimes with fatal consequences.

Made over the course of 12 months, the film tells the story of the legislative history of building regulations from 1973 to the present day through five fires. It explores the causes, subsequent investigations and the recommendations that were sent to successive UK governments, ultimately posing the question – if lessons had been learned as a result of tragic repetition of errors over the decades, could Grenfell have been avoided?

The five fires revisited include: Summerland disaster, Douglas, Isle of Man (1973); Knowsley Heights fire, Liverpool (1991); Garnock Court fire, Irvine, N Ayrshire (1999); Harrow Court fire, Stevenage, Herts (2005); and Lakanal House, London (2009).

The documentary is filmed, produced and directed by Jamie Roberts (The Jihadis Next Door, War Child and Manchester: The Night Of The Bomb), with Senior Producer Owen Phillips (Panorama: Fake Sheikh Exposed and Manchester: The Night Of The Bomb) and Executive Produced by five-time Bafta Award-winner Dan Reed (The Paedophile Hunter, 3 Days Of Terror) for Amos Pictures.

Airdate: Tuesday 30 October 2018 from 9.00pm-10.00pm on BBC TWO

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HelenaDove · 29/10/2018 14:53

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/29/grenfell-landlord-failed-to-fix-electrical-faults-inquiry-told?CMP=share_btn_tw

A Grenfell Tower survivor who lost 20 friends in the fire and is still living in a hotel room more than 16 months later has told a public inquiry that the council landlord never fixed problems with the building, including electrical faults and broken lifts.

Hamid Whabi, 54, described his desperate escape from his flat on the 16th floor and said that before the fire, lights would turn themselves on and off and plugs would fail to work. A new fridge did not work when it was first plugged in.

He said he reported issues to the tenant management organisation but they were never fixed. The inquiry into the disaster has previously heard that the fire is likely to have started in a fridge on the fourth floor.

Whabi said lights did not always work in the landings and lifts often broke down, meaning there was often a 10- to 15-minute wait for a working lift.

He is still waiting to move into a new home with his 90-year old disabled mother and his son and has been living in an Ibis hotel in west London since the fire in June 2017.
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His son Walid, a student, said in a statement: “I am currently struggling to concentrate and stay focused in general as I feel my head is all over the place.”

It is understood the family have accepted an offer of accommodation but the property is not yet ready.

By the beginning of this month 121 of the 204 households left homeless by the fire had moved into permanent accommodation and 39 had moved into interim homes, leaving 44 yet to be resettled

Whabi told the inquiry that on the night of the fire he was packing for a pilgrimage to Mecca when he heard the crackling of flames outside his kitchen window. It was about 1.15am, 20 minutes after another resident, Belihau Kebede, had dialled 999 about the fire in his flat 12 storeys below.

“I just turned back and went to the kitchen,” Whabi said, his voice breaking. “I saw the fire.” When he opened the window to see what was happening, flames and smoke came into his flat.

“The fire was red,” he added in a written statement. “The smoke was black. It was very thick and strong; it was coming from the window. It smelt like poison … I was coughing, and black things were coming out and some blood.”

He ran down to the 15th floor because he suspected the fire was coming from above. On his way he met a firefighter in difficulty. “He had a mask on but was struggling to breath, sitting on the stairs. He was a mess himself. I could not believe it.

He ran back upstairs where he saw through the smoke Ed Daffarn and Sam Daniels, who also lived on the 16th floor. Daniels told him his father, who was disabled, was “frozen” and could not get out. Whabi said they should get him.

“When I turned to look, I could not see Sam. I could not lift him [Daniels’ father] by myself; I left him. I now know that Sam’s father died in the fire,” he said.

“I started thinking about my friend Yasin El-Wahabi and his family. They were on the 21st floor. I know them well. I found it very hard, I was coughing too much. I forced myself and tried my best to stand up. I did not think I would make it. I put the towel over my face and ran down the stairs. I later found out that all five of them died in the fire.”

He said he ran down through the heat and smoke. “It was very noisy on the stairwell and I could hear people screaming and shouting very loudly.”

Asked whether he wanted to tell the inquiry chairman, Sir Martin Moore-Bick, anything more, Whabi said: “We’re just normal people who just want to get on with their life. We’re a working community, we’re normal people. Everyone wants to get on with our lives.

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HelenaDove · 04/11/2018 01:56

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/grenfell-tower-support-worker-sent-13531479

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BlatheringWuther · 04/11/2018 11:44

With apologies to those that this might upset
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-45982810

Why are lessons never learned in Britain? Is it just Britain?

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BlatheringWuther · 06/11/2018 21:59

I agree.

HelenaDove · 06/11/2018 22:26

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/06/grenfell-bonfire-video?CMP=share_btn_tw

"There can be no excuse for the cruelty that was shown in that now infamous Grenfell video. It’s disgusting and vile. Unfortunately, many survivors and bereaved families endured the pain of watching people mock the trauma we all suffered that night. There is enough pain – we don’t deserve this.

Now the anger and outrage I felt after watching it has subdued, my only emotion is sadness. Sadness that this is what a small minority of our society thinks is acceptable – not only to mock the dead but also our community in general.
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Some of the misperceptions in the video – the “That’s what happens when they don’t pay their rent” comment – and the tone are not new to us. I feel like we have been fighting the judgment in it since day one. Although we’d rather focus on justice and change, our fight is also about being treated with dignity.

There was so much misinformation in the early days after the fire and much of it was spread by the media. Unfortunately many of those early misperceptions have stuck and, without really looking for the truth, some members of the public believe what they read and hear. It is a narrative that we are still trying to correct.

It started with the numbers of people living in the tower being wildly exaggerated, and was followed by a focus on the “amnesty for illegal immigrants”. No one followed up to say that the amnesty wasn’t actually necessary. We are Londoners: many of us grew up here, many had lived in the tower since birth, others have made London their home through hard work.

This idea that we don’t pay our way is untrue. Many of the flats may have been social housing, but we still paid good rent to live there. We had to put up with these attitudes from the tenant management organisation and contractors before the fire – that we should just be grateful to be there. It seems like, in some pockets of society, that attitude still exists.

Just last week I got a call from the BBC asking how I felt as a Grenfell survivor about the introduction of universal credit in North Kensington. I asked them why they were calling me about it as I am not eligible for benefits because I work. Editors had just presumed they could put a Grenfell spin on a benefits story, without bothering to question themselves why. Of course, some people do claim benefits because they need them. It certainly doesn’t make them bad. It’s more the lazy assumption by the media that grates on us.

If you take time to watch bereaved family members paying tribute to their loved ones at the start of the inquiry or the survivors who are giving evidence at the moment, you hear of people who called their work in the middle of the fire to apologise for not being able to make it in. You hear from business owners, managers, student nurses, university students and at-home carers, and a community that kept an eye out for each other. We come from all religions and none. And it was thanks to many brave young Muslim men returning from prayers that night, who ran towards the danger, that many of us escaped and were offered shelter.

While the media wrote about how we were getting expensive homes after the fire, few reported that while we were still living in hotel rooms, we got on with our lives, going back to work, back to school and finishing university studies. We never wanted any of this to happen to us. Grenfell Tower was home; North Kensington was our community. Every single survivor, bereaved family and the community would give anything to change what they went through that night.

We talk a lot about change coming from Grenfell. One change I hope will come as our story unfolds is that people will get to see the community that we are. We’re typical Londoners, looking after our families and trying to get by. It’s important because we know that other communities are fighting the same battles we are, to be treated with dignity and respect. If we are to stop another Grenfell happening again and other communities being victimised in the way we have, these attitudes and misperceptions must be challenged.

Regardless of the colour of someone’s skin or religious beliefs, no one deserved to die that night and no one has the right to make light of something so tragic. We must work to eradicate such hatred in our society."

•Natasha Elcock is a survivor of the Grenfell Tower fire and chair of Grenfell United, the survivors and bereaved families group

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HelenaDove · 07/11/2018 14:24

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/gagging-clauses-criticism-of-theresa-may-banned-in-grenfell-safety-deal-7mbdll6cj

Experts hired by the government to test cladding 12 days after the Grenfell Tower fire were banned from criticising Theresa May or doing anything to embarrass her, The Times can reveal.

The engineering company WSP agreed to the terms when it was appointed to analyse the safety of government buildings in the days after the disaster.

WSP’s contract stated that it must not create “adverse publicity” about the Cabinet Office or other Crown bodies, a group of organisations that includes the prime minister’s office.

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HelenaDove · 07/11/2018 23:26

Rags Martel
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2h2 hours ago

Rags Martel Retweeted ITV London

Grenfell Inquiry

  • Cladding fixed with duct tape before fire
  • Resident Elizabeth Sobieszczak says KCTMO “ignored us”
  • Her daughter Florentyna stayed behind to protect “30 people” from being hit by falling cladding

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HelenaDove · 13/11/2018 19:50

www.itv.com/news/london/2018-11-13/grenfell-tower-resident-told-to-stay-put-after-advice-changed-inquiry-hears/

"A Grenfell Tower resident was told to remain in their flat more than 15 minutes after the London Fire Brigade's "stay put" advice was changed, a public inquiry has heard

Scotland Yard's control room staff had been deployed to answer 999 calls as the scale of the disaster on June 14 last year escalated.

72 people died as a result of the blaze in the 24-storey west London tower block.

Call records show people phoning within minutes of each other were given different advice even before LFB decided residents should try to "escape by any means necessary" by 2.47am.

A caller at 1.28am was told: "Yeah evacuate. Get everybody out," while another who rang a minute later was advised to stay. "There is someone coming up to help you," they were told.

"There is nothing else I can do other than tell them that you're there. So they have been told. They are aware that you're there."

Metropolitan Police Commander Neil Jerome defended the actions of the call handlers at a public inquiry on Tuesday.

"Our operators are listening to individuals on the phone and clearly they are wanting to save their lives.

"I think in each individual case they are making an assessment based on what they are hearing," he said.

"They are making these flexible decisions based on what they are hearing at the time and clearly not rigidly adhering to the advice that had been given to them."

The inquiry heard a resident who rang 999 at 3.05am was told to stay in their flat, more than 15 minutes after the LFP advice changed. "Caller this is the police," the operator said.

"I'm trying to get someone to you but you need to tell me where you are."

Asked if he could account for that, Commander Jerome said: "No, I'm sorry, I can't."

The inquiry heard the change in advice did not go out over the police radio until 3.08am and counsel to the inquiry, Richard Millett QC, said: "That particular control room operator had not yet heard or been given the message the advice was now to evacuate."

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HelenaDove · 14/11/2018 22:57

Rags Martel
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2h2 hours ago

Rags Martel Retweeted ITV London

Grenfell Inquiry

  • Leaking gas “fuelled the fire”, says engineer
  • Jason Allday, an employee of Cadent Gas, helped extinguish the fire
  • Residents warned about open gas pipes during refurbishment

twitter.com/itvlondon/status/1062812381129121803

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HelenaDove · 15/11/2018 15:33

twitter.com/CassieMonroe19/status/1063038124060762113

Cassie Monroe
@CassieMonroe19
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@HelloSanctuary think an offer of £100 is acceptable for failing to carry out repairs and ignoring complaints,resulting in arson and me losing my home!They don't care my son has bee traumatized by this &we have nothing!
@JohnnyMercerUK @realvoices @LizJ73 @DarrenWinter @chareyt

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HelenaDove · 17/11/2018 00:30

Rags Martel
‏Verified account @RagsMartel
6h6 hours ago

Rags Martel Retweeted ITV London

Grenfell Inquiry

One question repeatedly asked to Kensington & Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation:

“Did you know about any fire safety deficiencies before the fire?”

Three times they said no.

But KCTMO were warned. From residents - and in official documents.

twitter.com/itvlondon/status/1063499294630658048

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