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Jeremy Corbyn at Glastonbury ugh

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LivingOnAnIsland · 24/06/2017 19:36

What a creep!

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Thiscantreallybehappening · 25/06/2017 14:55

Moomin - which event did JC attend? I know he was invited but all the news I saw said he didn't attend an event.

AwaywiththePixies27 · 25/06/2017 14:56

He went to an Armed Forces Day event before Glastonbury.

He was even invited by a 😲 Tory!

www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/james-heappey-invites-jeremy-corbyn-133387

Sorry to disappoint you clalpolly.

Thiscantreallybehappening · 25/06/2017 14:57

As far as I am aware, he was invited to that event but didn't go

AwaywiththePixies27 · 25/06/2017 14:58

Thiscantreallybehappening

Well the news wouldn't would it?

Somerset I believe. He had plenty of time. He wasn't on stage at glastonbury until 4.

Thiscantreallybehappening · 25/06/2017 14:59

Away - no where in that article does it state that JC attended. He was invited to go.

Thiscantreallybehappening · 25/06/2017 15:02

Yes, the whole point of that Tory MP sending the invite was to prove that JC would have time to attend and, therefore, wouldn't have to miss out on an armed forces event. It does not say that he accepted and I am pretty sure if JC went along to that event with a Tory MP it would be splashed all over the newspapers.

theDudesmummy · 25/06/2017 15:09

If you are fed up seeing him then don't watch. I don't like all the music they have shown, much of it not my scene in any way, but I would not call someone a "creep" for playing it. And as for this ridiculous thing that people are saying about it being a music festival and so politics are out of place, Glastonbury has always been highly political.

And you can be doing fine and not in financial problems yourself from austerity but still abhor it and oppose it because of its effect on others.

Clalpolly · 25/06/2017 15:09

Not helping my dislike of JC.
TM getting into bed with the DUP didn't help my dislike of her either.

Thiscantreallybehappening · 25/06/2017 15:16

theDudesmummy - I agree that Glastonbury has always been political. I also agree that I can switch it off when JC comes on and I do BUT he seems to be constantly on a general election campaign with a microphone, his manifesto in his hand preaching to everyone about his vision.

Clalpolly · 25/06/2017 15:40

Like Trump. He loves the adoration.

theDudesmummy · 25/06/2017 15:49

Absolute rubbish, he has absolutely nothing in common with Trump. He is an intellectual lifelong left-wing career politician who has stuck to his principles for decades and who, if he is in the spotlight now, will use it to try and improve the lives of everyone. Trump is a billionaire right-wing media anti-politician who knows and cares little about anything that is not for his own direct benefit. I fail to see the parallels.

Luckyaide · 25/06/2017 15:58

Dudesmummy, you speak good sense.

AwaywiththePixies27 · 25/06/2017 16:15

Comparing Corbyn to Trump.

That's a new one! 😂

Good Heavens! How desperately strawclutching! Confused

theDudesmummy · 25/06/2017 16:31

Oh it's already been done, see this ridiculous piece of shoddy jornalism (which I thought at first must be satire, such bollocks is it).

www.nytimes.com/2017/06/07/opinion/jeremy-corbyn-britain-election.html

Thiscantreallybehappening · 25/06/2017 16:40

Dudesmummy - I agree with a lot of what you say but I absolutely do not agree with:

if he is in the spotlight now, will use it to try and improve the lives of everyone

His left wing socialist views IMO would have a negative impact on most income brackets, not just the 5%. I do not think he was questioned enough during the GE campaign. He was not questioned on the removal of the married tax allowance that is only available to people earning less that the higher rate of income tax (so not just the 5% then). He was not questioned on the capping of student numbers, and I could go on. This was the fault of TM and her disastrous campaign and her dreadful manifesto.

FaFoutis · 25/06/2017 16:58

Quality of life is not just about how much money you have as an individual.
I would have less money under a Corbyn government, but my life could be better because of improvements to services and society.

Thiscantreallybehappening · 25/06/2017 17:08

What proof do you have that there would be this massive improvement to services and society?

Thiscantreallybehappening · 25/06/2017 17:12

I'm not saying everything is great at the moment because it isn't but I just don't think re-nationalising rail, water etc, giving more power to trade unions, borrowing massively on the markets, scrapping tuition fees, free childcare for all 2 - 4 year olds and the list goes on and on - it is just not affordable and will have a massive knock on effect for future generations. It is just naive to think anything different.

MoominFlaps · 25/06/2017 17:13

They manage many of these things in Scandinavian countries.

theDudesmummy · 25/06/2017 17:29

I would certainly have less personal money under Corbyn (I am in the 5% and would pay more tax for sure). But that is a price I am willing to pay, for my beloved NHS to be saved, and for the type of society and world I want my children and everyone else's children to live in.

Thiscantreallybehappening · 25/06/2017 17:36

I've heard this argument and I am absolutely no expert but I have read in a number of articles similar conclusions to this:

^One underlying problem with socialism is that confiscating wealth and redistributing it takes away the incentive to work hard, to innovate, to invest, to take risks, and to be competitive. In other words, eventually you run out of other people's money.

And Norway is a very inappropriate model for comparison with the UK. A vast proportion of their economy derives from natural resources - oil, fish, hydroelectricty etc. In such an economy, the above drawback of socialism is largely avoided. Indeed, it is a fairer way of dividing the econoic spoils, given that they are "gifts" of nature, more than the fruits of labour, innovation, investment, etc.

What is interesting to note, is the extent to which other Scandinavian countries - particularly Sweden, have thrived since the 1960s, as they have shifted from the very socialist policies for which they are famous, towards a freer, market-drive economy. They stll have an emphasis on redistribution, but they have largely recognised that markets do a better job of allocating production resources than government planners do.^

Thiscantreallybehappening · 25/06/2017 17:48

Dudesmummy - how can the top 5% make everything better. They do already pay a huge proportion of tax. The money would have to come from massive amounts of borrowing. How does that make life better for future generations? I do agree that we are in a mess but I just don't agree with throwing sweets at every section of society and borrowing billions and increasing taxes even more is the answer. The tax increases Labour are planning are only their "initial" increases.
Rebecca Long-Bailey has confirmed that.

antimatter · 25/06/2017 17:50

universities would not be getting £9,000 per student per year - I've heard that they aren't getting that much anyway but only a part of it

Thiscantreallybehappening · 25/06/2017 17:51

Antimatter - My DH is a Finance Director at a large UK university and they do get that for every UK and EU student

theDudesmummy · 25/06/2017 17:57

I don't think we can make everything better. There is a great deal more to what we need than simply more "tax on the rich". I was just trying to illustrate the point that, as someone else also said, having more money individually (above a certain level obviously) is not the only answer to what makes your life better, the nature of the society you live in might be more important.