Jeremy Corbyn at Glastonbury ugh

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What a creep!

Cameron didn't run a good campaign, partly because he assumed Remain would win, and he didn't want have a split tory party afterwards, so he stopped campaigners from attacking Gove and Boris.
But shoes I'm sure labour party members voted as you say, but traditional labour seats voted out. Don't you think Corbyn had a part in this, because of his indifference to the EU?

Corbyn wasted his appearences on events where there was little publicity, and who were already converted to the cause. He also went away on holiday for a week during the campaign, which seems a bit sloppy

I can well believe that CloudPerson

I went to watch Ed M talk once and experienced similar. Full of press one minute and disappeared the next when something more exciting happened.

No Lucy, I don't. The facts are thus:

65% Labour voters voted Remain

35% Conservative voters voted Remain

Those facts speak for themselves - it was Cameron's failure. But hey, when you can just resign, quids in for your autobiography and after dinner speeches, when you can playfully tweet pics of your feet, whilst on a nice holiday away from the country you helped sink, it's not problematic personally for him, is it?

I'm not saying Cameron ran a good campaign (all the problems with it are detailed in the Shipman book) but I was reacting to comments upthread saying how honourable Corbyn is.

People from predominantly white areas tended to vote out, in multi cultural urban areas voted remain. There were exceptions of course. I think that is a dominant factor that nobody outside of UKIP got to grips with. Now the economic consequences of Brexit are becoming apparent the tide is turning.

shoes we'll have to agree to disagree. I'm sure you're figures are right, but it's still true that many traditional labour seats voted out, which indicates to me that people who normally vote labour were voting against the party line

Dave Goodhart's book The Road to Somewhere is very good on this, also a previous book on immigration

Has he promised the second coming of Jesus yet? He doesn't need too, he is the second coming. Just look at the initials j.c for Jesus Christ.

You know, Lucy, there is a real problem with people reading a book, one book, and taking it as gospel. Especially if it conforms to your natural confirmation bias. People that write books can be biased. I could point you to several other books about Brexit that say something different. We've all lived through this - we all form our own opinions - but you know, the simple voting demographics don't support what you are arguing.

it's a shame you can't answer the point about traditional labour seats, and rely on telling me I'm biased, bacause you know everything I've read. I only bang on about the Shipman book, brcause it's good.

Ha that was a typo userwhatever but you know, if the boot fits.
I wish them joy of Jeremy. Thank you.

did you read the link from the Guardian?

from the New Statesman
Not least among the reasons for this row was the electoral geography of the referendum vote. Support for Leave was generally highest in the north of England and the Midlands – the location, too, of some of Labour’s most loyal heartlands. Indeed, Chris Hanretty has estimated that seven in 10 Labour MPs represent constituencies in which a majority voted to leave the EU. It appeared that to all intents and purposes Labour had failed to take its voters with it in the referendum. In contrast, the vast majority of Labour MPs definitely backed Remain.

lucy I think the referendum was entirely personal and in no way reflected how people vote in a GE. My remainer parents live in an area that overwhelmingly voted remain. Their MP is a leading Brexiteer. And the MP was re-elected. WTF?

Oh and my parents have voted Lib Dem for years. My mother in her 70s is getting out to leaflet for the first time ever

I did read that Guardian article, quoting Damian Green, on the eve of the Election. He was rather wrong, wasn't he? The tories didn't gain the majority they were expecting.

I don't really know the point you trying to make by linking to it?

#Oh, Jeremy Corbyn#

And I think, Lucy at some point in your argument, you're going to have to admit that not all traditional Labour seats voted out. For example, inner city London, Manchester, Liverpool. Some did, maybe - maybe they believed the lies on the bus?

But the overwhelming demographics were Labour = remain, Conservative = Leave.

I missed out a set of 000s on my post. It should have read £350,000,000.
In my defence I really needed a wee.

I'm sure labour party members voted as you say, but traditional labour seats voted out. Don't you think Corbyn had a part in this, because of his indifference to the EU?
No. I'm originally from one of the areas you mean. It's shit there now. They are a net beneficiary of the EU. You could stand there and tell them that as a politician until you are blue in the face. Their housing is cheap, the few jobs they have are undercut. The steelworks can't be supported because 'EU rules don't allow it' and the coal was lost for many reasons. Remain was headed up by Thatcher's child. And you wonder why they lost?
I said at the time that Cameron should have been neutral and appointed a cross bench remain campaign. I stand by that. He shouldn't have tied the premiership to any side. He was too arrogant.

Corbyn appeals to middle aged hippies and gullible teenagers. The teenagers will grow up one day.

Corbyn appeals to middle aged hippies and gullible teenagers. The teenagers will grow up one day.
That is exactly why people like Corbyn, because he doesn't stand for flippant statements like that that are nothing more than to try to shame people into thinking they are some how lesser and should shut up and have no voice.

And I fit into neither of the two groups you just belittled for having an opinion that differs from yours.

I would have been more impressed if he had gone to one of the many Armed Forces Day events. I guess there weren't as many prospective voters at these though.