Josie Long - we are more at risk from right wing extremists than Islamic extremists

[Goodluckjonathan76]

A friend just posted a link to Josie's rant on her Facebook page. I honestly felt sick watching it. For a start, in terms of numbers of deaths, we are looking at 2 deaths (Jo Cox and man at Finsbury Park mosque) (please correct me if I am wrong) compared to multiple deaths in Manchester and London Bridge, not to mention the attacks in Paris, Nice and Brussels. Firstly, how is this the time to be comparing which is worse, and secondly, if we must compare then Islamic extremists pose a far greater risk in terms of loss of life. Am I missing something? Or has the world gone mad.

And Mackerel, by the same logic, far left extremists push people who might be moderate towards extreme views as well.

Your gold star is in the post

Her statement makes no sense in terms of what is happening in terms of terrorism and the chances of mass attacks in UK currently..

It may be her perception but the evidence does not stack up.

What concerns me is how many people have bought into this way of thinking. See Twitter and this thread.

There are apparently 400 jihadis back in the UK right now. As the Manchester bomber showed these ones have the know how to kill many in one go. That should be the massive security risk we should be demanding action on!

Thanks pigeon. Really glad you agree. I thought was an excellent point.

White privilege?

Not at all. I just watch the news and see how many people have been killed by Islamist extremists & how many have been killed by far right extremists.
You don't have to be a genius at maths & statistics to work it out

Indeed wavingbranches. Apparently it is our white privilege that prevents us from seeing this very clear and present danger from the extreme right.

Op I used to be left wing now I appear to be extreme right wing.

Thing is I never changed..

Now don't use maths that would be hate facts..

Sorry for my current cynicism. I am away to get fresh air.

Ha, me too wavingbranches! But is seriously is the deluded left who make it so much worse.

If you're solely concerned with numbers then it's beyond me why you'd be concerned about risk from any form of extremism.

I feel like it's a way for white British people to say "we don't stand with them" in regards to EDL etc. It is ridiculous though. I don't understand why people ignore that in recent times the vast majority of intended terrorist homicides has been carried out by Islamic extremists. For her to suggest that we should be more scared of far-right extremists is frankly belittling to all the victims of the recent attacks, ignorant and pathetic.

There have been a spate of random terror attacks in the UK over the last few months, two in London. The risk is low but it still exists. Why is it beyond you that anyone should be scared? Who are you to say when, where, how another attack could happen? How are you to tell anyone what they should be scared of? Most people I know are worried about an attack.

I think so too namechange, completely belittling, utterly shameful in fact.

If we're talking globally, Islamist extremists kill muslims as well as civilians of other religions in those countries in far greater numbers than anyone else. Funnily enough, if the far right and Islamists actually talked to each other, they would probably agree on many things- their hatred of people different to themselves, their hatred of homosexuals, their denigration of women who aren't locked away in the kitchen having babies. They are far right extremists.
I am far more fearful of Islamist extremists, purely because many are part of a global network, are being supplied with advice and weapons and seem to be able to kill more people than the British far right. Josie Long is an idiot IMO as well. I don't know what she's trying to prove. Being in denial about Islamism and its threat not just in Europe but in Africa and Asia is dangerous and ridiculous.

What we have to fear are the pathetic, inadequate, angry little men who fail at everything in their lives and seek to blame others, attempting to seize their warped idea of glory by massacring innocent people. Whether they are Islamic terrorists, far-right extremists, mass shooters or whoever. Whether they are radicalised by individuals or hate-filled websites and reinforced by the frothing spewing hatred of our shameful tabloid press - it is their inadequacy, stupidity and arrogance that poses a danger to society. Whether they are driving a van at Muslims leaving a mosque or pedestrians on Westminster Bridge, they are the same type of person. It's pointless to argue that far-right white supremacism or far-right Islamic extremism are any worse than each other; they are both corrosive and dangerous and warped. And they will serve to irritate and inflame one another to greater depths of depravity unless we can stop them both.

I agree too namechange. It is belittling and patronising.

Because you seem to be really concerned with numbers of people that have died - only in the U.K. though, not globally, for some unfathomable reason. Very, very, very few people will die as a result of extremism in the U.K. A numerically insignificant proportion. Almost as if it's a more complex issue than numbers of people that have died isn't it?

The fact that Muslims themselves are the main victims of extremists is a bit muddied though. Many attacks occur in countries with very high Muslim populations so inevitably most of the victims are Muslim. Do they set out do kill just Muslims? No. They point would only be relevant if Muslims extremists were targeting Mosques or other areas then yes, I would agree. The aim of most attacks seem to be to kill as many people as possible.

And Mackerel, by the same logic, far left extremists push people who might be moderate towards extreme views as well.

Yes, and that was exactly my point: "Far-right extremism and Islamic extremism (which I'd also class as far-right TBH) unfortunately fuel each other."

Every time we have an attack at home, there is always without fail, left-wingers saying we should feel the same remorse for those aboard.

I don't think that has much to do with anything. Maybe some people do that who also believe far-right extremism is a risk, but that doesn't really make them them related.

The opposite of extremism IMO is not being a total twatbag to one individual based on the actions or beliefs of another individual. If that's 'far-left extremism' then so be it.

pigeondujour - OP is talking about the UK as, presumably (although I've not heard it), that's what Josie Long was referring to.

Do they set out do kill just Muslims? No.

Most of the time yes, actually are you not familiar with the background of Islamic State?

So pigeon, you can guarantee that there aren't going to be any more attacks in the UK in the next few months and so we need not fear? I didn't worry about my sons being caught up in an attack next time they go to the Natural History Museum? Think it's really up to me to decide what I worry about isn't it? I'm also worried about flying and getting cancer, if that's ok with you.

Jesus. A masterclass in point missing

Being "more at risk" made me think of the issue in terms of real life risk rathet than say the risk to the feelings of Josie Long.

Yes, pigeon, I've heard of them. And where are they based mainly? And they reserve the nicest treatment for Westerners, don't they?

I can't find what she said-can someone link, please?