Josie Long - we are more at risk from right wing extremists than Islamic extremists

[Goodluckjonathan76]

A friend just posted a link to Josie's rant on her Facebook page. I honestly felt sick watching it. For a start, in terms of numbers of deaths, we are looking at 2 deaths (Jo Cox and man at Finsbury Park mosque) (please correct me if I am wrong) compared to multiple deaths in Manchester and London Bridge, not to mention the attacks in Paris, Nice and Brussels. Firstly, how is this the time to be comparing which is worse, and secondly, if we must compare then Islamic extremists pose a far greater risk in terms of loss of life. Am I missing something? Or has the world gone mad.

Ok!

Just realising I agree with you!

2 thoughts for me
Which will do more damage most likely in a physical terrorist attack?
Probably radicalised individuals who claim to be Muslim

Who do I think is having the biggest impact on society?
Nasty racist EDL /Britain First types and those in UKIP who give air time to divisive shite. People who give airtime to Katie Hopkins. The press who print lies about muslims having sympathy for jihadis all over their front page and then hide an apology a few days later because they down care.

MaisyPops I can't agree that the terror attacks in the name of ISIS aren't having a big effect on our society. The scale of this across France, Belgium and Germany is changing the way we live. France is under a state of emergency.

Katie Hopkins is a symptom, she was bumbling along as a posh shock jock before she hit on a bit of a cause.

I'm not saying they don't have a big effect on society.

What I'm saying is when I'm going about my day to day lives I'm more affected by EDL type sentiment than I am (so called) Islamic State type ideas.
I think the increase of bigoted views of people who think they are "telling it like it is" actually alienates people and is fertiliser for those Islamic radical groups to swoop in and radicalised new minds who feel like everyone hates them.

I think it's interesting that the Daily Mail and other press people talked about the Finsbury mosque terrorist as a "white van driver" and asked few questions about his appalling beliefs. In some elements of the press any attack by a white person is a loner with mental health issues, but if thr attacker isn't white then it's a great day for spreading hate.

This may have been said already but really Islamic extremism is just a subcategory of right wing extremism, IMO. The ideology is illiberal, supremacist, misogynistic and ultra-conservative.

Well my kids attend rock venues and yes I'm worried about another Bataclan or MEN attack, we know that music venues are a target for mass murder. It's affecting my life now.

That should read Manchester Arena not MEN.

This may have been said already but really Islamic extremism is just a subcategory of right wing extremism, IMO. The ideology is illiberal, supremacist, misogynistic and ultra-conservative
I've never considered it this way before.

Probably because the right wing Britain First nutter around our way arent socially conservative, they are idiots and morons who think refugees and migrants are the same thing and that a qualified surgeon from overseas is stealing their job when they're utter morons who've got limited qualifications have haven't worked in years.

I think it's interesting that the Daily Mail and other press people talked about the Finsbury mosque terrorist as a "white van driver" if I was white a person, I would not be ok with that usage of the term "white van man" by the daily mail based on what happened because it's loaded with classism within the British class system. It's the dailymail separating itself from the working class whom they constantly push to the brink of hatred.
Or I could be talking bollocks.

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I'm not happy about it either.

I'd not considered it as being classist. I read it as 'your average bloke just like any tradesman you know' and felt it attempted to normalise what should say "far right terrorist".

He'd had to hire the van. He's not a white van man. I know this is the "no true Scotsman" fallacy..

The far right extremists BME fear are the ones in police uniform. Those ones that if you are stopped whilst driving or taken into custody you worry if you will get out alive, if you will see your family again.

Those ones that hate black people but its hypocritically not admitted that's an issue so, black deaths in custody soon become a forgotten statistic. Thats after some trumped up excuse along lines of s/he resisted arrest/ needed tasering/restraining as s/he was sooo strong. Aka deserved it for being black

All extremists are to be feared. They're irrational and violent with a God-complex and will end your life for whatever their hate mission is. Whether through direct hate or being in the wrong place at the wrong time. From a BME point of view "religious" terrorism is another layer of bs added to that which already gives us grief

There are, however, a number of general principles to which at least a majority of social conservatives adhere, such as opposition to abortion and opposition to same-sex marriage.
I just had to google to make sure and this is what came up @MaisyPops I think this fits them perfectly with ukip or any of those far rights and their views on what I have just included.

Not forgetting, refugees rape and take their women, are ruining their culture that's just the few things I can think of. Just exchange Donald trump views with them. Cut from the same cloth.

Yes the dailymail has always backed the conservatives, middle class and above first and foremost. The white van man is rarely used positively.

Apologies for any spelling mistakes in advance. I will be too drunk to make any more sense.

White van man is used pejoratively by journalists and politicians.

@goodluckjonathan76 Sorry but it just fucking isn't. I would give me life a million times over to save my child or any child. What is wrong with you?
Nothing wrong with me, love.
I'd give my life for my child- of course I would, but we aren't talking about my children or giving lives. You were talking about what is more important in terms of news coverage so stop over emoting, you sound hysterical.
Every life is important. And most of the 22 people killed in Manchester weren't children.
None of those killed at London Bridge were children.

There are plenty of Muslims who pay their taxes and just want to live in peace and safety too, y'know

As for not living with terrorist attacks, the IRA were active only thirty years or so ago. Living memory. I don't remember everyone rushing to judge Christians then.

Bertrand, JLs feelings are her own. But her claims to feel more frightened by young white men than by Islamic terrorists just seems so facile to me. I'm baffled by the left's rush to idolise Islam. Like many lefties, personally I'm an atheist who strongly believes in rights for women and gay people. Why the left has chosen this cause to get behind is a mystery to me.

I am much much more worried about the sexism and homophobia of religions where numbers are increasing than about the much lower risk of religious violence. We spent 100 years plus in the UK achieving important rights for women, equality at home and in many areas of life and some people now in our midst are taking us back 100 years and exposing our children to sexist and homophobic ideas. That is the enemy within, not the risk of muslim violence.

Of course PIRA was a part of the background of our lives growing up.

And no one talked of Christian or Catholic terrorism. But then again they were not killing to further the cause of a Catholic holy kingdom on earth..it was the cause of a united Ireland and some Protestants had espoused that in the past ( see Wolf Tone)

The issue on this thread was whether right now right wing terrorism is more of a danger than ISIS inspired terrorism.

Worldwide it's a pretty parochial view and in the UK I would say it's a piece of nonsense.

I'm with you OP. Utter bollocks but we're not supposed to say so.

I am much much more worried about the sexism and homophobia of religions where numbers are increasing than about the much lower risk of religious violence. - you mean like the views Islam has about homosexuals and women?

Bobbins people did judge Catholics though.

the sexism and homophobia of religions where numbers are increasing than about the much lower risk of religious violence or the views that are held by many conservative Christians?

This thread is a joke right? People bashing others because of their "white privilege" based on an assumption of their skin colour even though the internet doesn't require us to tick boxes on skin colour and sexual preference before being allowed online.

This is a joke when someone mentions UK attacks by islamists and someone compares them to worldwide attacks by non-Islamists over the past 20 years without listing all the terror attacks carried out by Islamists over the last 20 years. Hell the Islamist kill count over the last twenty DAYS is bigger than that over the "far right" count for 20 years pretty much but that doesn't get a mention.

The thread is a joke as comparison is made between those who wish to destroy your way of life and those who think they are trying to defend it as if religious fervour egged on by thousands if not millions of messages to KILL and DESTROY was equivalent to a few lone individuals who have seen killing and destruction and people pointing out the underlying issues with Islam.

This thread is a joke as virtue signalling is clearly not a useful process for considering oroblems and solving them.

Even just the maths is nuts. Muslims. 4-5% of the population yet pretty much all terror attacks and terror plots are committed by this group. White people - >80% of the population yet a tiny proportion of attacks. And yet the far right (subtext "white" people are more a current risk"?

And don't get me started on the Josie Long video itself. "White men" are a risk. Since when did we start labelling ethnic groups as hazardous and do you think she realises she is a hypocrite or is she just cognitively less privileged than most of us?

Sorry for the rant. Personally I think child sexual exploitation has destroyed thousands of lives and yet nothing was done for fear of someone calling out "white privilege" and "rascist" just like people have done in this thread. How dare they belittle the real fears of people just because they don't match their ideal victim! Those who call this are the enablers and creators of the situation we find ourselves in.