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Grenfell Tower tragedy continued

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RhythmAndStealth · 14/06/2017 23:17

Twelve people confirmed dead with that number expected to rise significantly.

Many others injured and distressed. People have lost relatives, friends and their homes.

250 firefighters in attendance, risking their lives in an unprecented fire and it's aftermath. Other emergency services and NHS staff working hard to help survivors.

Many questions to be answered.

Flowers to all those affected and everyone helping.

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CondensedMilkSarnies · 15/06/2017 11:05

Maud it sounds terrible. People were told to go back into the building ? (Did I hear right?)

CoralDreamscapes · 15/06/2017 11:05

owlmug - the fire brigade were there within six minutes.

DearMrDilkington · 15/06/2017 11:05

Just heard it could take weeks to safely access the top floors. Horrific.

Nicknacky · 15/06/2017 11:07

owl I didn't quite catch who she was saying didn't arrive till 4.25 but it certainly wasn't first fire service response.

11122aa · 15/06/2017 11:07

Adam Boulton on twitter running with the 100 or more being the final death toll. Just horrific.

CondensedMilkSarnies · 15/06/2017 11:07

She's blaming the police but I can only imagine the chaos and lack of coordination especially those who were first on the scene and couldn't have predicted how fast the fire took hold.

user1496484020 · 15/06/2017 11:10

What channel is Victoria Derbyshire on?

Kokusai · 15/06/2017 11:11

In the event of the fire being contained anyway, what harm was there in people getting out?

Because if you have several hundred people evacuating DOWN the staircase the fire fighters cant get UP the staircase to fight the fire.

As has been said a million times the normal advice to stay put is good advice, but there has been an extraordinary factor here (the cladding probably) that fucked everything up.

Badbadbunny · 15/06/2017 11:11

In the event of fire, time is of the essence. So no alert for anyone is reprehensible. If they were alerted immediately they would have gotten out with minimal casualties.

Have you missed the bits where people in the higher floors were told by fireman in the corridors to go back to their flats and where people phoning 999 from within the building were told to stay in their flats???

MelinaMercury · 15/06/2017 11:12

Again though, the media has been reported he "packed a bag beforehand" because one witness said there was a bag by his door.

That means nothing really, if you want to focus on it it could've been a bag of rubbish he had put out to dispose of in the morning which was certainly common place in the high rise I used to live in, he could've had a case packed for going on holiday and thought he'd grab it on the way out to salvage something, anything or he could've had an emergency grab bag by the door. It's irrelevant that he may have taken 2 minutes to chuck stuff in a bag whilst he was alerting the to brigade because as far as he was told the fire would be contained for 30 minutes by those who SHOULD have been educated enough to know about correct fire procedures.

They're jumping on it to make a scapegoat which is my point. It diverts away from the powers that are behind the failings in this!

owlmug · 15/06/2017 11:13

I hope they repeat the interview but I'm sure they won't, I didn't quite catch what she said other than something didn't occur until that time and that she had footage as proof that won't be aired.

MrsPeelyWaly · 15/06/2017 11:13

The lady who was alerted to the fire by the bloke who's fridge is said to have caused the fire has said - he knocked on her door only after her packed a bag of belongings. That he had it with him when he was knocking on other doors. He'd also videod the fire in his flat and showed it to her.

user1496484020 · 15/06/2017 11:13

Badbadbunny - that was a half hour after the fire started though and even later. Some were last heard from at 3am.

MrsPeelyWaly · 15/06/2017 11:13

Ah sorry. I see it had been posted about.

user1496484020 · 15/06/2017 11:16

It's going to take weeks to identify all victims (LFB)

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 15/06/2017 11:17

owl it's on Victoria's twitter if you want to see it again. I think she's saying the hoses weren't used til 4.25am?

11122aa · 15/06/2017 11:17

The fire appeared very small apparently when the man with the bag left his flat. He probably didn't expect it to spread beyond the kitchen and filmed it to show the fire brigade where it was in the flat.

CoralDreamscapes · 15/06/2017 11:18

owlmug I'm going to scour youtube to try and get a repeat of that interview - I'd be interested to know what didn't happen until that point.

Badbunny For whatever reason, the fire doors, compartmentilsation and internal riser systems failed - I don't think the fire service could have predicted that. I also don't think they wanted people running through fire to get out when they may have been able to put out the fire and reach the people safely. I don't think the blame here lies with the fire service.

MrsPeelyWaly · 15/06/2017 11:18

It's described here in this Daily Mail link. People can make up their own mind whether to read it or not.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4606078/Man-flat-tower-fire-started-packed-CLOTHES.html

ShushAlexa · 15/06/2017 11:19

"She did not speak to victims, survivors or aid workers.

How much more contempt can this government show?"

FFS is this true?

B I T C H

Maudlinmaud · 15/06/2017 11:19

Yes Condensed I think that was the jist of what she said. I had it on in the background and didn't really pay full attention until she got really angry. I think she said people could have jumped but the emergency services stopped them. I suppose I would listen to the emergency services on this. They know best surely, but it is a deeply upsetting situation.

Badbadbunny · 15/06/2017 11:20

I also feel I should make everyone aware that the "stay in place" protocol is very common in large public buildings too - airports, hospitals etc have evacuation strategies based on some people staying in place at first (it is called phased evacuation).

But here we had a single escape route and the fire started on a lower floor. It's not rocket science to see the potential disaster if that single escape route becomes blocked in an out of control fire!

MotherOfBleach · 15/06/2017 11:20

Oh that poor man.

I sincerely hope (but doubt) that he is offered sufficient support in the future. I can't imagine what is going through his head right now.

As for packing a bag, if you believe that the fire will be contained to your flat or at worst, your floor, why would you not pack a bag?

Fires happen in tower blocks all the time, rarely do they cause more than localised damage.

Loss of life happened because this building was not safe, not because someone packed a bag. The three or so minutes it would have taken him to throw some undies into a backpack would have made no difference to those who didn't make it.

MelinaMercury · 15/06/2017 11:21

Strange question but for those in the know about these things, if the fire had started on the upper floor and if the news is to be believed it is almost impossible for fire equipment to reach that height then what would happen?

I know in all likelihood it wouldn't be as catastrophic as more people would have been evacuated safely but is there equipment they can carry through the inside or would it just have to rage on?

MrsPeelyWaly · 15/06/2017 11:22

Seriously, nothing she does or says right now will help.

She wouldn't be able to do right for doing wrong.

If she doesn't speak it's wrong. If she did speak it would be wrong because she would have said the wrong things.

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