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To feel incredibly sad over treatment of the slenderman attempted murder girls

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Carollocking · 28/01/2017 17:53

So I watched the documentary early this morning and just can't stop thinking about the 2 girls.
I understand what they did totally and they've never once denied what they did either.
I just feel so very sad that a so called compassionate society would treat as they are.
Of course it was wrong but they need help and love and care and proper treatment,not to be put on trial as adults 2 years after the offence with a chance of anything upto 65 years In prison.
I already have a low opinion on the USA in general and this lowers it more to feel it's terrible to treat them as they are.
I think about if it was my eldest girl and yes she knows right and wrong but no girl her age thinks about consequences thinks about things at all as an adult will.
I think the justice system they are been put through is very sick and twisted.also makes me wonder if they were of rich parents this may not be as it is now.
If they had been allowed to be tried as juveniles they would be out of prison at 18 but could still be monitored fully as needed. That would still be 6 years in prison. For a child 6 years is An entire life to them.

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Carollocking · 29/01/2017 18:50

However I'm no interest to argue pointlessly so will just pretend you don't exist

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YouHadMeAtCake · 29/01/2017 19:31

Well you do an excellent job of pretending nasty evil murderous degenerates don't exist so blanking out posters that dare to disagree with you should be a breeze.

JamieXeed74 · 29/01/2017 19:31

IMO a 12 yo is well aware of whats right and wrong, never mind planning and executing murder. I dont see why they deserve any compassion, it was a horrific act, they are lucky they wont get the electric chair.

Thurlow · 29/01/2017 19:35

Yes, because suggesting a 12 year old should be murdered by the state is so much more moral...

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Carollocking · 29/01/2017 19:37

Nice to see u again Thurlow

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JamieXeed74 · 29/01/2017 19:42

The state would be executing them not murdering them. So yes it would be more moral, although I dont believe in the death penalty. These girls choose to commit the crime and were old enough to know it was wrong, the state however would be carrying out a legal proportionate punishment akin to an act of self defence for society.

finova · 29/01/2017 19:45

It's also on Now tv for anyone wanting to watch it.

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Carollocking · 29/01/2017 19:51

To me sounds pretty selective opinion,
If at 12 you say girls are responsible totally then why does society say they can't drink ,smoke ,have sex ,drive or numerous numerous other things,it says it because it says there children and that a child is not fully responsible and are in need of guidance etc from adults ,however because it's a crime you suddenly think they are responsible adults and should be treated as adult just because the crime is more serious.
Seems screwed up to me

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PossumInAPearTree · 29/01/2017 19:57

I don't even think America would execute children.

I really hope not anyway.

My 15yo dd watched the programme and was compassionate enough to feel sorry for them as well as the victim. I'm not saying that teenagers can't be evil. I just don't think these particular two were/are. Yes, they did an evil thing. But one of them is a diagnosed schizophrenic and the other seems to have been easily led and sticking her head in the sand hoping it wasn't really going to happen until the last minute.

RebelRogue · 29/01/2017 20:06

Tbh (not necessarily in the case of these girls) , sometimes execution is kinder than being stuck indeterminately in a mental asylum,full of pill,not knowing what is real and what isn't..etc.

Thurlow · 29/01/2017 20:30

If you have seen the programme, I think it is very hard to come away from it not seeing that the two girls who committed the crime are quite damaged and ill. One has a diagnosis of schizophrenia, the other with a delusional disorder.

Every case has to be considered on its own merits and these girls, isolated within their own friendship and feeding each others delusions with little outside intervention, truly came to believe that Slenderman was real and that they had no option but to kill their friend in order to protect themselves and appease Slenderman. It's not as simple as saying that they know right from wrong; they were operating within a delusion which removed much of the true reality of the world from them.

And as someone else has said, there is a massive hypocrisy in decreeing that someone is not old enough to know right from wrong in relation to sex, alcohol, drugs, that someone at the age of 12 they still need protecting from the world, yet they are equally capable of being tried as an adult for attempted murder.

DixieNormas · 29/01/2017 20:42

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PossumInAPearTree · 29/01/2017 20:47

When I was 11yo me and my best mate were convinced with enough practice we could learn to levitate. There was stuff in the Fortean times about people who had. We spent ages trying.

I can believe that two isolated kids, with access to daft internet sites and YouTube could feed each other's thoughts that this thing could be real.

Thurlow · 29/01/2017 20:52

There was a degree of that, yes, Dixie. That's not surprising though.

Thurlow · 29/01/2017 20:54

One of the girl's parents also has schizophrenia.

It's not difficult to see how mental health problems combined with childhood naivety could sadly lead to these delusions.

DixieNormas · 29/01/2017 21:14

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Thurlow · 29/01/2017 21:22

Of course it doesn't Hmm

Saying that people who commit serious violent crimes have mental health problems does not mean that all people with mental health problems will commit violent crimes.

That's like saying that the men who have commited terrorist attacks in Europe recently were Muslim, therefore all Muslims will commit violent crimes.

ItsNachoCheese · 29/01/2017 21:23

I couldnt care less what age the 2 girls are what they did was inhumane and they deserve to be tried as an adult after they stabbed their FRIEND 19 fucking times and left her in the woods to die! that is a crime that deserves a sentence of life with no parole imo

Thurlow · 29/01/2017 21:25

And the comment about the parent having schizophrenia was in reply to the comment that they wouldn't have got that diagnosis in the UK. It wasn't a diagnosis that was pulled out of thin air; she has a family history of it.

PossumInAPearTree · 29/01/2017 21:25

Of course there are people with schizophrenia who don't kill but it's well documented and evidenced that people with schizophrenia are more likely to partake in dangerous behaviour. Different studies put the percentage of murders in the U.K. Committed by people with schizophrenia at anywhere between 5% and 11%.

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Carollocking · 29/01/2017 21:33

Sadly schizophrenia always puts a higher risk of dangerous and violent behaviour.

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Poorlybabysickday · 29/01/2017 21:40

I don't think they should be tried as adults, they are obviously disturbed and need mental health care and rehabilitation

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Carollocking · 29/01/2017 21:45

I just think to try as an adult is sick and twisted for so many reasons,

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DixieNormas · 29/01/2017 22:09

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PossumInAPearTree · 29/01/2017 22:22

My point is that 5-11% of the population don't have schizophrenia. Which suggests if you do have it you are more likely to engage in violent behaviour than someone who doesn't.

Of course the majority of people with schizophrenia such as the girls dad aren't violent. But it's more likely than for a non schizophrenic person.