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To feel incredibly sad over treatment of the slenderman attempted murder girls

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Carollocking · 28/01/2017 17:53

So I watched the documentary early this morning and just can't stop thinking about the 2 girls.
I understand what they did totally and they've never once denied what they did either.
I just feel so very sad that a so called compassionate society would treat as they are.
Of course it was wrong but they need help and love and care and proper treatment,not to be put on trial as adults 2 years after the offence with a chance of anything upto 65 years In prison.
I already have a low opinion on the USA in general and this lowers it more to feel it's terrible to treat them as they are.
I think about if it was my eldest girl and yes she knows right and wrong but no girl her age thinks about consequences thinks about things at all as an adult will.
I think the justice system they are been put through is very sick and twisted.also makes me wonder if they were of rich parents this may not be as it is now.
If they had been allowed to be tried as juveniles they would be out of prison at 18 but could still be monitored fully as needed. That would still be 6 years in prison. For a child 6 years is An entire life to them.

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ZombieApocalips · 29/01/2017 11:08

I have a dd who's a similar age. If she refused to take psychiatric medication then what would happen. Would she be sectioned and force fed? Would she be left alone until she commuted a crime? I could only pick up the prescription and remind her daily. Would I be put on trial for neglect if she doesn't take them?

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Carollocking · 29/01/2017 11:17

It's a hard situation isn't it.
My youngest has medication so I'm dealing daily with someone with issues and it's not always easy but we can all only do our best and if that best becomes not enough we don't run and hide we have to deal with it.
I am not even sure I can answer the questions you added though as so far I'm able to manage her well but if it became too much I'd have to look for extra help.
But to me a child is a child,and the systems in place should be able deal with them as such

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neonrainbow · 29/01/2017 11:22

"Compassion should be for everyone without question? "

Even people like ian Huntley? What about the wests? What about osama bin laden or pol pot? Do we need to wring our hands over them and be compassionate?

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Carollocking · 29/01/2017 11:31

As another poster said you can judge a country/ society by how it treats the people at the worst ends of life,
and yes I believe compassion should cover everyone no matter there crime.
If you are sick you go to doctors and try to be cured the same for people sick mentally they just need the right cure.
Yes at present we can't cure everything but we try

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RebelRogue · 29/01/2017 11:46

and yes I believe compassion should cover everyone no matter there crime.

And you completely lost me here. I struggle but i can kinda see your point of view regarding children even if I don't agree. Extending that to everyone,regardless of crime is incomprehensible,and frankly why so many people become victims to reoffenders. Even worse it's why so many women get involved with pedophiles,sex offenders,murderers etc,not only putting themselves at risk ,but their children too. All bleeding hearts and second chances. Some people are beyond salvation,hell some people don't even want to be saved.

One more thing,it is not the case of these girls,but there are people that inherently evil,if that's the terminology u want to use. There's no mental health,no trauma,no abuse. They just lack any capacity for empathy or sympathy. There's no remorse,and most of them see people around them as test subjects. They are born like that. And there's no "cure" for it.

neonrainbow · 29/01/2017 11:58

I suppose you believe theres some good in everyone, no matter what they've done. Enough compassion and they'll never do anything bad again.

How naive.

Thurlow · 29/01/2017 12:00

Surely you can see that lacking empathy, sympathy or remorse means they are mentally ill?

Not that I would argue they need to be in society. Many people are too dangerous to be in society.

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Carollocking · 29/01/2017 12:04

compassion is nothing to do with seeing good in another,compassion is to treat decently and fairly no matter there crimes.
I don't agree with there crimes nor most other crimes committed but whatever someine has done compassion proves your not the same as them and can see beyond just that crime and see a bigger picture and treat with decency.
Compassion dosent mean you agree with what they've done it dosent even mean you have accepted or forgive what they have done it means you see the person not the crime.

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Carollocking · 29/01/2017 12:08

I totally agree they are mentaly Ill and I've never said they should be in society until one day they are sure will be safe well as sure can be and as said before that is not a set amount years it's when it's felt they are ready. What I disagree is to try a child as adult full stop. And I feel that the only way is lots of proper help for them not putting prison for life.

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Atenco · 29/01/2017 12:09

Sorry, I haven't read the entire thread, but I do agree with the OP. I thought it was totally wrong for the children in the Bulger case to be tried as adults, and a real life sentence for 12 year olds is horrible.

It goes without saying that their crimes were horrible and they must seriously disturbed, but if children can't be redeemed, what hope for the rest of us?

I think people also romanticise and sentimentalise children and women, and that is why when a child or a woman does something really wrong, people go to the other extreme and talk about evil and treat them much more harshly than they would an adult man.

RebelRogue · 29/01/2017 12:37

Carol you are actually right, I am no better than "them", as tbh if anyone harmed my child, they would be lucky if the police got to them first.

Just out of curiosity have you(or someone really close to you) ever been victim of a serious crime? And were u able to go awww and see the person not their crime?

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Carollocking · 29/01/2017 12:43

Yes to answer your question I have dealt with a serious crime and still have the reminders daily.
And yes I do see the person as a person and not just there crime

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PossumInAPearTree · 29/01/2017 15:41

Am watching the documentary now.

There's something not right with Morgan. A psychiatrist has diagnosed her with schizophrenia. She believed one of her classmates was a Pegasus. She's apparently not bothered if she gets a long jail sentence because she believes she can manipulate reality to what she wants it to be if she chooses.

Her dad was schizophrenic.

She needs help and medication. And yes maybe a period of time in some form of secure hospital......but not a county jail!

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Carollocking · 29/01/2017 16:41

I'm glad you feel the same as I do. She's serious messed up little girl and I'm assuming the part where she talks about that is more recent
, which kind of to me makes me seriously think shes has not really matured hardly at all in the nearly 2 years in prison already.

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PossumInAPearTree · 29/01/2017 16:50

Got to the end. It says that Morgan is in some form of mental hospital taking anti psychotic medication.

The other girl is still in a juvenile detention centre.

RebelRogue · 29/01/2017 16:55

I actually do agree with detention served in a mental hospital rather than jail..but such decisions will be made on a case by case basis.

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Carollocking · 29/01/2017 16:57

That's right says she is there out of choice but was only allowed so since the decision was made to prosicute as adults (The bit about Morgan been only there since decision to prosecute as adult I read online in one of the numerous reports I read through )

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Misstic · 29/01/2017 17:03

Thurlow
Surely you can see that lacking empathy, sympathy or remorse meas they are mentally ill?

No, it simply means they are wicked, evil, and manipulative. Yes, 12 year old can be wicked and very cunning.

It's easy to label all behaviour that are out of the ordinary as some form of mental illness but just because it is easy and convenient to do so does not make it right or safe.

Misstic · 29/01/2017 17:22

This thread is very disturbing.

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Carollocking · 29/01/2017 17:29

Then don't post on it no one is forcing you

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YouHadMeAtCake · 29/01/2017 18:32

I find the OP very disturbing Misstic and stop telling people not to post on ''your'' thread OP. You're not only going to get posts agreeing with your fucked up opinions.

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Carollocking · 29/01/2017 18:45

Didn't say that I just said if don't like it don't post not rocket science is it

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YouHadMeAtCake · 29/01/2017 18:48

Your words below OP ,including your strike out fail on annoy Grin

And if sickened why come on the thread,there's plenty of other threads for you to -annoy- post on

YouHadMeAtCake · 29/01/2017 18:49

...not to forget Then don't post on it no one is forcing you

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Carollocking · 29/01/2017 18:49

And ? As I said if don't like why bother posting not rocket science

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