Thread for non-pinko liberals to discuss crime and punishment

[JanH]

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SP - I know Jan didnt mean it as an insult, but, I'm not sure that applies to everyone

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fgs, what i meant is, i don't know if castration alone works or if there is some chemical way of doing it, as paula has already pointed out, there is. in which case, i'm all for it.

I think "pinko" is one of those terms that says more about the person using it (when it is used as an insult) than the person being called it. A bit like Nazi.

Yes, but you thought it was a good idea before she clarified, but as you stated yourself - you didnt actually know if it worked or not. Now, i know you didnt mean to come across as stupid, you are obviously just upset and very emotional about it - we all are. I think sometimes to step back a bit gives some clarity of thought. Its not about making excuses for anyone or letting them get off lightly. Far from it.

And fwiw - its not a proven deterrent or magical "cure". So, a bit hit and miss really.

Quite SP.

I know it would stop them from commiting rape. what i didn't know was if it stopped them having urges. If it does, then, yes it's a good thing, imo.

yes, I do see the use of 'pinko' as an insult when used by some, and also thanks to JanH for the diversion. I got the jist immediately but was wishing to say something like "if it means not being a red-neck, count me in!"

TM - not the thread I dislike, but the nonesense espoused on it often. And castration? As abuse happens in the head, would be pretty sure this is a specious proposal. So, no, TM, it would protect vulnerable little ones, but would serve to make others feel better about themselves.

no it wouldn't stop rape. I know of instances, professionally where implements have been used as a problem-solver to impotency.

TM its not guarentee. Sometimes its successful and sometimes its not. There needs to be more research done. It takes very large doses before they stop fantasising. I think it could be useful and its not a crazy idea.

not if life meant life though, they wouldn't have the chance would they? other than to interfere with each other

As a matter of fact Pann, chemicle castration has been found to be extremely effective when used in the States. I will dig out the research when I get a sec. It is also the only thing that can work with paedophiles. You cannot 'cure' a paedophile any more than you can 'cure' a homosexual so rehabilitation is not an option.

I was being flippant Callisto, I'm all for the ducking stool

What gets me and I am refering to people I know in RL is that people who have a liberal view on issues seem to believe that their view is the right view and anyone who has a more right wing take on things is an uneducated pleb.

I'm a pinko liberal I think. Though it's not a term I've heard for a long time. I prefer woolly liberal myself. So obviously I won't give my opinion about the death penalty...

Calisto - I said it was 'specious' and not a guarentor of anything. Would be curious though to know of research that says otherwise, and am open to change POV.

But your second point about rehab. IS utter nonsense, and Idon't know where you get it from.

Callisto - It's unfair to compare peadophilia with homosexuality. The latter is a genuine difference in sexuality, the former an abnormality with psychological causes. You can't cure homosexuality because it isn't an illness, where peadophilia is an illness and probably can be cured in some cases.

As for castration: I have serious doubts that it works, but I'd be vaguely interested to see the research.

I am on here, whaddya gonna do about it???

I hate the death penalth, if it goes wrong the results are too devastating to contemplate. One false conviction and that's it. I also happen to think it punishes the family of the criminal at least as much as the criminal- and why punish the innocent ones?

Not in my name, thanks all the same.

(and if anyone thinks I am trolling no, its peachy - just reacting to thread title)

"What gets me and I am refering to people I know in RL is that people who have a liberal view on issues seem to believe that their view is the right view and anyone who has a more right wing take on things is an uneducated pleb. "

yeah, that's about right.......

although pinko - i agree with your argument. for tresspassing you must go in the stocks outside MN towers whilst we throw turkeys at you

Surely everybody thinks their view is right? That doesn't mean you can't revise that view, or take other views into account, but you'd be rather bizarre if you thought your view was wrong.

And I really dont think that small minded bigotry si the province of any one philosophy, its more a personal characteristic than an ideological one I think.

I don't, I think I'm wrong and anyone who says otherwise is an uneducated pleb.

Come on then custy, if you think you're hard enough

custy - my pinko veggie habits are insulted!

Chuck a mediterranean roast veg. pasty, with my mouth in the open position.