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Two year old murdered

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paws4thought · 13/02/2007 16:40

I've just read on the net about the 2 year old who was sexually assulte and murdered. why does this have to happen? I'm very upset as i'm sure you all will be once you hear/read about this. Have a look at \link{http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/6356009.stm}

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hunkermunker · 14/02/2007 16:50

Wasn't massively specific, but it felt a bit too close to me - I was on the jury and he went down for murder - just was a bit - well, I guess it felt a bit googleable that's all.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 14/02/2007 16:50

Wooohoooo!!!

Excellent

You have neglected to cast aspersions on my 'offspring' as well though.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 14/02/2007 16:53

What, you mean like this googleable?

hunkermunker · 14/02/2007 16:54

Er...yes, just like that!

us · 14/02/2007 17:01

The goverment pussfoots around prodictable perpritrators. Patterns of crime we have all heard of that,People like this can,t help themselves this guy with of offended before, it wasn,t a crime of passion or greed he stared somewhere and ended at this, he was just not looked at before. For starters i wouldn't build reabilitation centres next door to schools.Secondly i wouldn,t give them their own wing in prison, if they can live out side protected they can live in there un protect and un schooled they talk and learn from each other. i would also show their face in the paper way hide them in clear cut cases. we have no means of identifing them do we. i would also re-educate the public about how these people move in our society. we don't really know.

NotQuiteCockney · 14/02/2007 17:05

So basically, government-sponsored lynching?

VeniVidiVickiQV · 14/02/2007 17:08

Blimey! That was quick MNHQ.

Hunker, do you have a direct hotline?

Ha ha ha ha ha silly question

Seriously though....

This story has really devastated me.

ruty · 14/02/2007 17:09

i missed whatever you sad VVVQ! Damn. Must stay on MN at all times...

ruty · 14/02/2007 17:10

you said i mean...

bundle · 14/02/2007 17:22

is hunker off witness protection now?

MummyPenguin · 14/02/2007 17:33

The last (and only) time I innocently started a thread in this section with a similar title, I was lynched like there was no tomorrow.

It's interesting how these threads start with the subject in the news, and swiftly divert into a difference of opinion/slanging match.

Anyway, back to the original subject. Horrific. I didn't scroll to the top of the thread, so someone else may have posted that the child's uncle (her Dad's Brother) has been arrested, as were her Dad and her Mum's Brother, but they were released without charge. The Police have been granted an extra 30 hours to question the Dad's Brother further. As soon as I saw the headline yesterday, I thought I bet it's someone in the family. It had to be. The Mother and her friend were drinking tea in the kitchen when it happened, so surely they would have noticed an intruder? Apparently there was an 'incident' outside the house prior to the attack on the little girl.

How can that man have done that not only to a two year old girl, but his own Niece? Sadly, we live in a very sick world and it makes me bloody scared.

The family were 'known to SS' after a burn to the child's foot with hair straighteners. Careless, perhaps, but could equally have been an accident? Why would they be 'known to SS' after something like that? Perhaps there was more to it?

VeniVidiVickiQV · 14/02/2007 17:33

LOL Ruty...

I could say it again, but hunker would hunt me down and shoot me. She's a bit funny like that.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 14/02/2007 17:36

When my DD was given cheese by her nursery and admitted to hospital with the allergic reaction that was bound to happen since she's allergic to cows milk protein I was given a call from my HV (one step away from SW), so no, I dont think there was more to it. Ditto when she was ambulanced in with breathing problems due to chest infection and asthma.

FluffyMummy123 · 14/02/2007 17:56

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VeniVidiVickiQV · 14/02/2007 17:59

to mp's assertion that there was more to it than just an accident in the home...its standard procedure. If you are talking to me. Are you talking to me?

VeniVidiVickiQV · 14/02/2007 17:59

And take your mag hat off and speak proper

FluffyMummy123 · 14/02/2007 18:02

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FluffyMummy123 · 14/02/2007 18:02

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lunavix · 14/02/2007 18:06

I've got shivers down my spine

MummyPenguin · 14/02/2007 18:30

Erm, for the record, I wasn't 'asserting' that there was more to the burn incident than just an accident, I was merely pondering that there might have been if SS looked into it.

filthymindedvixen · 14/02/2007 18:56

training i did yesterday, said up to 78 perc ent of men and 50per cent women in prisons are suffering from a personality disorder (anti-social PD most common)
So that's a very high percentage of people with a mental illness.
What is the most commmon 'trigger' for a PD? Attachment problems in childhood, most commonly caused by some form of abuse/neglect.

Let's just string them all up shall we rather than trying to treat damaged people or prevent people from becoming damaged in the first place?

TaylorsMummy · 14/02/2007 19:19

how do you suggest we treat someone like this? Is there a treatment which would stop him being the way he is? i doubt it somehow.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 14/02/2007 19:31

There is no magic pill, of course there isnt. I dont think locking all paedophiles up forever or killing them all is the answer.

Although (and without knowing the full facts except for what was reported in the Express and the bbc website), this the most serious of offences imaginable for a sex offender to commit, and so it doesnt give me high hopes for his future and/or rehabilitation.

PamPann · 14/02/2007 20:21

Have the knuckle-draggers finally left??

What is the effing point of this thread? Thank goodness for Hunker,QV, fish-face et al.

Yes I would be inconsoleable if anyone hurt dd like this, BUT

Some posters demonstrate why it is we don't have 'victim justice' and very few organised societies do - we rely on the separation of offended and offender for v. good reasons. Like why we have gun control, so we don't blow the heads offa drivers who cut us up.

Aspergers etc. Yes, many many sex offenders I have worked with, individually and in groups DO have some specific, or non-specific inability to learn social/sexual parameters........or have never been so coached........I am sure people would be amazed at the total lack of preparation for life, and how to live with others, many sex offenders, and other offenders,demonstrate when one scratches even gently at their psychy/social make up. And their sex education is pitiful.

And bear in mind, this type of attack is exceedingly rare. Last time I read, they nunmber about 50 per year ( deaths of children following a sex attack) since WWII.

And VQ as a probation officer?? I admire you so much, I fear you would be wasted.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 14/02/2007 20:37

Awww shucks.....I miss your hero-worshipping

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