Maybe we should be very glad that Obama is going after all?

[Jupiter2Mars]

.. and is being replaced with someone with a very different outlook.

This is what Obama said yesterday:

" And then, in Germany, I’ll visit with Chancellor Merkel, who’s probably been my closest international partner these past eight years. I’ll also signal our solidarity with our closest allies, and express our support for a strong, integrated, and united Europe. It’s essential to our national security and it's essential to global stability. And that’s why the Transatlantic Alliance and the NATO Alliance have endured for decades under Democratic and Republican administrations. "

The stakes are rather higher. Obama has said he doesn't believe trump is fit for power. I would put damage limitation above etiquette in this case anyway

Playing devil's advocate: isn't what you are saying the equivalent of only accepting a referendum or election result if you get the result you want, which surely is the most undemocratic thing you can do?

Would it be equally acceptable if things were reversed i.e. if a departing Trump was saying it about an incoming Obama?

isn't what you are saying the equivalent of only accepting a referendum or election result if you get the result you want, which surely is the most undemocratic thing you can do?

I don't know what you mean at all. You think democracy means, what exactly? That there must be no opposition, no alternative opinions, no other views put forwards? You think there must be silence? How odd!

You think racism and persecution is acceptable and no one must speak out against it, because enough people voted for it?

I think you are confused, and, from your posts, I don't believe you're playing devil's advocate at all.

Am I allowed to express my opinion here or do you think its undemocratic to do so?

That's twice you said you don't know what i mean. Classy and democracy. Do you really not know what those words mean?

Kane West supported Trump and look what happened to him. I think Farage should be afraid. Very afraid.

Kanye

No. Kane. He only adds the Y in for publicity purposes. Y indeed?

I'm no political expert, but I don't think that democracy means not criticising the powerful...

I don't know what you mean by these words because I have never before heard them used in the sense that you are using them:

1. An ex-president speaking out against racism and ineptitude is 'not very classy'.

1. To talk out about someone/to politically oppose someone is - according to you -: 'the equivalent of only accepting a referendum or election result if you get the result you want, which surely is the most undemocratic thing you can do?'

I understand what democracy usually means. I have never heard it to mean the way you are trying to argue here (as a devils advocate of course).

Obama is not, and won't be, calling Trump names. He's too classy for that, unlike some (ahem).

But, it is only right to criticise anything he vehemently opposes, as it would be right for any former President, IMO, or any other person.
It's quite common elsewhere, when someone in power is replaced by someone else of an opposing side.

Furthermore, Obama has given Trump advice in private and will do his best to ensure a smooth transition of power.
If that's not accepting the result of the election, then I don't know what is.

Would it be equally acceptable if things were reversed i.e. if a departing Trump was saying it about an incoming Obama?

Yes actually it would be acceptable. (provided that he wasn't inciting violence etc). I would almost certainly might disagree with what Trump would say, but I'd have no problem with his right to speak loathsome ignorant bullshit.

So we should dissolve the opposition in parliament, close down the newspapers, close social media, take power from the judges, because apparently to disagree with an election result is the most undemocratic thing you can do.

Staggering.

Actually I think Obama has been astoundingly classy over the whole thing, giving the history between the two of them.

Indeed birdy. Because politics only matters once every 4 years (or 5 here in the UK) doesn't it? To think otherwise is just being a sore loser, apparently.

because apparently to disagree with an election result is the most undemocratic thing you can do.

To be strict, Obama is not disagreeing with the election result.
It is what it is.

It's rather disagreeing with the opinions of the person who won the election, and to be flabbergasted at the electorate. :)

An ex-president speaking out against racism and ineptitude - so, you already know what Obama's going to speak out about? Has he told you or do you just know?

You were the one who brought it up. You said Obama will speak out about Trump and that is 'unclassy.'

Good thing we live in a democracy though, eh. You are allowed to express your opinion, however stupid it is.

I think this press conference is a lesson in class from Obama:

www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/14/president-obamas-first-press-conference-of-the-trump-era-annotated/

As an example:
"I think he's going to try as best he can to make sure that he delivers not only to the people who voted for him but for the people at large."

but I didn't say what he would speak about, except it was clear from the context that it wasn't going to be supportive. You appear to know what he is going to say.

What do you think Obama will criticise in Trump, then?

I don't know. How could anyone know who hasn't spoken to him or at least heard from someone who has spoken to him about it?

I think it is quite supportive, Obama's measured response has probably done a lot to calm the rage over the election result.

TBF, as this thread has demonstrated, none of us know what Trump will actually do or even try to do.

No, I don't know exactly what he's going to say. There's a billion negative things that he could say about Trump and I'd probably agree with 99.9999% of them.

You don't know what he's going to say either but you have decided whatever he says, it will be "unclassy." (Or was it 'undemocratic;, I'm not sure.)